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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Dec 22, 2009 at 05:29

"no need to be Turk to reject this" (from Turkey ;) wrote :

"If you can really use the phrase "Kemalist jihad" then you got no knowledge of history about Kemal Ataturk, what he was trying to do, or odd but what jihad really is and about Turkiye."

The other possibility being that you don't know what you are writing about.

First , you are a Turk and yet instead of plain text you call yourself ""no need to be Turk to reject this".Remarkable feat of double-talk! Second don't mix up "Ghazi Mustafa Kemal Pasha" with "Ataturk" too readily,Turk. In 1921 the brand new "ghazi " [ =jihadist , holy warrior of Islam, defender of Allah, the destroyer of gavurlar;'ghazi" being the honorary title of old Turkish sultans and generals who spread dar al-Islam at the expense of kafirs] Mustafa Kemal Pasha on receiving his memorable title that eloquently contradicts all his later absurd claims to sincere 'secularism', had to wait still 14 more years to become 'Daddy Turk" or "Ataturk".

> Not to mention, but here, for you, it is essential to say that all he wanted was a secular and liberated rupiblic, and he did...

Nonsense! He wanted to stay alive and safe after getting the death fatwa from the caliph during the Tukish civil war in 1920. "Secularism" was an excuse -or a convenient lie - for the holy warrior or ghazi to escape the fate "the shadow of Allah on earth" had foreseen for the rebel Moslem general.Ignoring this critical event is the root of all misunderstanding concerning Kemalism and the Kemalist comedy as it has been staged since the circumcisd secularist got rid of his caliph.

>We are grateful...<

...by becoming 99,8% Moslems!..You Turks are impudent clowns.You pretend to be 'secular' and are totally Islamized.You worship Allah in all your 85 000 mosques and pretend to follow the ex-Ghazi at the same time who used to speak with contempt of "Islam that decaying corpse of an Arab Beduin"! Your country is after Saudi Arabia the purest Islamic monoculture on the globe! But you are officially 'secular'. What a lie!

You have added a new big lie to the old Ottoman ones. You may have changed your clothes,your weapons,your window dressing,rebuilt the stolen cities and villages whose previous owners you had massacred or Islamized but your Asiatic Islamic barbarian and mendacious soul has remained intact. It's unreformable.

> I just want to say if you want to make comment about anything just do it if you really know about it.<

I consider the above to be self-referential.

> Anyway i recommend you the book Andrew Mango - Ataturk enjoy :)

I warn anybody against accepting uncritically works written by writers with no critical academic background and with very strong ties to the official Turkish propaganda machine. Mango was a press officer at the British Embassy in Ankara.He worked for the BBC at that which is notorious for its PC and pro-Islamic bias.They say he didn't even bother to take a critical look look at the archives relying on printed official Turkish sources disregarding external sources critical of Turkey. His apology and eulogy of Kemalism is responsible for his popularity in Turkey where NO critical author has the slightest chance to be published, read or listened to. In Turkey there is no freedom of speech and dissident opinion is consistently persecuted.Telling the truth is a very dangerous thing in Turkey.

I'd rather recommend J. Benoist-Méchin "Le loup et le léopard - Mustapha Kémal ou La mort d'un empire", Paris 1962. It's one of the best biographies of Kemal I know and you can learn there what Turkish apologists prefer to obsfuscate and omit and brainwashed Turks are forbidden under pain of 3-4 years' imprisonment to know.

> and by this way get to know Turkiye and Mustafa Kemal Ataturk a little, at least to be able to type on a site without any kind of dream product stuff, believeing what you make up and influencing people, if you like to be taken into consideration.<

Again the unconsciously self-referential Turkish stuff (=BS) ,I am sure.

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