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What kind of Jihad were the Barbaric Muslim Raiders carrying out when they ravaged Hindustan for centuries?

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Submitted by Proud Indian (India), Sep 6, 2008 at 02:16

Dear Nishi,

Let me discuss your post point by point. your first para

"It is not clear that whether you will ever understand the real message behind my posts, as you are not able to understand it, I am giving you the real messages. Firstly, I am trying to tell that Islam in no circumstance is at fault. Its scriptures were badly misunderstood by reading them out of context, quoted a line & non referring the other parts which completes the sentence. Quran was misunderstood because non of you read & understood it yourself, you all read only the portions which were taught to you in books of interested people who wanted to project this Book as disharmonious."

hmmmm.. firstly you have stated that islam is not at fault and its scriptures are badly misunderstood.. please answer my honest question.. who has badly misunderstood the scriptures? who dreams of Dar-ul-Islam? what is the inspiration behind Islamic terrorism? why do thousands of muslims die with koran in thier hand and allah-u-akbar on their tongues?

nishi you've asked us time and again to read books.. i urge you to "see" the world.. i have time and again told you that we have not ineterpreted the Koran, its is muslims themselves who have twisted, turned and interpreted it for thier personal gains.. we are just trying to analyze what makes them tick.. DONT BLAME US BLAME YOUR BOOK FOR BEING SO AMBIGUOUS THAT ANY MULLAH OR RADICAL CAN USE IT TO BRAINWASH WANNABE TERRORISTS INTO BELEIVING THAT THEY ARE FIGHTING A RELIGIOUS WAR

i think it is those like you who use the "jihad" quote who are the main culprits of confusion.. I will not quote the verses because i know you can't understand arabic and neither can i! but what i can send you is authentic transalations by PICKTHALL, IBN ISHAQ AND BUKHARI SHOULD I SEND THAT? all muslims.. no whites or non muslims.. I HOPE THEN YOU WILL ATLEAST AGREE

"In Islam, the central doctrine that calls on believers to combat the enemies of their religion. According to the Qur'an and the Hadith, jihad is a duty that may be fulfilled in four ways: by the heart, the tongue, the hand, or the sword. The first way (known in Sufism as the "greater jihad") involves struggling against evil desires. The ways of the tongue and hand call for verbal defense and right actions. The jihad of the sword involves waging war against enemies of Islam. Believers contend that those who die in combat become martyrs and are guaranteed a place in paradise.The Arabic nouns juhd, mujahid, jihad, and ijtihad mean endeavor, training, exertion, effort, diligence, and fighting. "Traditionally jihad was understood to be justified for three reasons: to repel invasion or its threat, to punish those who had violated treaties, and to guarantee freedom for the propagation of Islam". According to Iranian ayatollah Morteza Mutahhari, Jihad as a defensive act is explained in the Hajj sura 22:38 - 41, where it is said that God gives permission (for warfare) to those who have been attacked."

Now read this para carefully! you have yourself stated three reasons fdor jihad, repel invasion, punish voilators of treaties and to guarantee propogation of islam.. right?

Now lets take a look at the history of India. PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHICH HINDU KING HAD ATTACKED MECCA OR ARABIA?? AND THEREFORE THE BARBARIC MUSLIM CARAVAN RAIDERS INVADED US FOR 750 YEARS? WHY WAS JIZIYA TAX LEVIED ON NON MUSLIMS ? WHY WERE THE TEMPLES DESTROYED AND LOOTED? WHY WAS THERE A LARGE SCALE GENOCIDE OF HINDU NON COMBATANTS DURING THIER RAIDS? WHAT SORT OF JIHAD WERE THEY FOLLOWING?

I HAD MAILED YOU TAIMUR THE LAMES AUTOBIOGRAPHY.. HAVE YOU READ IT? CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY ALL THE RAIDERS CHERISHED THEMSELVES BIENG CALLED AS GHAZIS? AND WHAT SORT OF GUARANTEE DOES ISLAM NEEDS TO PROPOGATE ITSELF? DOES IT MEAN THAT IN ORDER FOR ISLAM TO SPREAD, ALLAH ALLOWS WARFARE? WHAT SORT OF GOD IS THIS THAT IN ORDER FOR ITS FAITH TO PROPOGATE HE ADVOCATES JIHAD ( IN YOUR OWN WORDS... USE OF SWORD)?

Now for a second lets imagine that all the holy books and thier respective gods are like your koran and allah.. can you imagine what will happen? what will happen to islamic countries where that state religion is islam and there are strictures on other religions? should christian europe interpret this as holy war and send its holy warriors to liberate their brethen there?

Malaysia regularly demolishes age old hindu temples and so does your favorite islamic paradise pakistan. should we hindus send our warriors and protect our faith there? why go that far should i buy an AK-47 and hunt muslims in my area because there are blasts in mumbai jaipur and kashmir? why even our holy temple akshardham was attacked by islamic terrorists so should i take this as an attack on hinduism and blow up local mosques? get the picture dear?

the truth is none of the religious scriptures urge its followers to fight for their religion what they ask for is fight against injustice and ADHARMA! and if it means thier own brothers or their co-religionists then so be it. christ never killed a soul in his life, he healed and provided food. the romans persecuted him and he was crucified. he never wrote something similiar like jihad and urged his followers to kill the romans or the people who dont follow him?

Read the bhagwad gita and then you will realise what a wonderful guide it is for all religions.. it does not require you to even become a hindu to read it!!! it never says use the sword to guarantee the propogation of hinduism!it never says impose tax on non hindus? it never stated that if hindus raid non hindu lands and "propogate thier religion " they would become saints ( like your ghazis) or if they die in the process then they will be promised 72 virgins in swarg by lord indra

As a woman doesn't this idea of your husband willing to die for his religion so that he can have72 virgins disgust you? does your koran tell you what would you get if you die as a martyr? 72 hotblooded uncircumsised hunks? If you read the quran , you will find verses which promise hellfire for those who deviate from the faith.. There are passages which curse idol worshippers and pagans.. Why would a religious book have that sort of passages?

Dear, time and again i want to tell you that inspite of people like you shouting from roof top to rooftop, posts to posts, blogs to blogs, that islam is a religion of peace, but there are conflicts around the world which have the second party as muslims.. where are the peaceful muslims dear?

It is people like you who sometimes make me feel that our religions are too soft.

I once again end this post with an appeal to all the muslims that please follow your faith but do not claim that it is the only supreme religion in this world.. please place your country and your land of birth above your religion.. respect the laws of the land.. There can never be DAR-UL-ISLAM.. AND BY THE WAY .. I WILL PREFER LINGUISTIC AND INTELLECTUAL VOILENCE ANYTIME AND ANYPLACE.. IT IS JUST THE CAR BOMBS / PLANES IN THE BUILDINGS / TRAIN BOMBS / BICYCLE BOMBS THAT I WOULD SINCERELY BE CONCERNED OF

RAMDAAN MUBARAK

Proud Indian

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