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Submitted by sims01 (United States), May 28, 2008 at 19:04

>Wherever! It looks like the opposite you're accustomed to - nonsensical eulogies and servile worship of everything Turkish, all of it is so fine and so superior in being a great Turk , a member of the magnificent Turkish horde ( on pain of severe punishment in case you fail to praise Turkishness ;), isn't it ?

You are putting words in my mouth. I don't worship everything Turkish. I don't think that we are superior; we are just another nation among many. The west is "better" in most aspects, especially the protestant nations in terms of ethics. Actually Ataturk himself also said these things in record. We can't do "economy" well in general. None of these makes us "barbarians" or subhumans undeserving of a place under the sun as you claim.

You give one historical account by a general, claiming 200.000 Greeks just disappeared. That is one piece of anecdotal evidence, not scientific research. You are ignoring the scores of Muslims who died when we were driven from the Balkans. If Topal Osman did the things that were described there (and he probably did, he was a brutal murderer), it was a war crime, but you cannot lay blame on a whole nation.

Atrocities were committed against the Turkish population. From the report of inter-allied commission

"A distinct and regular method appears to have been followed in the destruction of villages, group by group, for the last two months, which destruction has even reached the neighbourhood of the Greek headquarters. The members of the Commission consider that, in the part of the kazas of Yalova and Guemlek occupied by the Greek army, there is a systematic plan of destruction of Turkish villages and extinction of the Moslem population. This plan is being carried out by Greek and Armenian bands, which appear to operate under Greek instructions and sometimes even with the assistance of detachments of regular troops"

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"The Greek army of occupation have been employed in the extermination of the Moslem population of the Yalova-Gemlik peninsula. The facts established -burning of villages, massacres, terror of the inhabitants, coincidence of place and date- leave no room for doubt in regard to this. The atrocities which we have seen, or of which we have seen the material evidence, were the work of irregular bands of armed civilians(tcheti) and of organised units of the regular army...Instead of being disarmed and broken up, the bands have been assisted in their activities and have collaborated hand in hand with organised units of regulars."

>It's funny to see how Turkish you're, ie. how mendacious, how unable to face the surest evidence showing the evils the Turks have perpetrated! How adamantly mean and disgusting your denials of the most certain historical facts are! How you hate the truth that hurts your primitive super-ego! ! .

I don't know how many times I need to repeat this until you understand it but I am not defending everything every Turk ever did. We made mistakes, killed innocent civilians, committed war crimes but so did others nations. Again, show me any other nation; especially one that was in the center of a whole empire that didn't do so. I regret the loss of life. Why don't you try to responding to what I am actually writing and not the strawman in your head?

You are the one who claims that no crimes were committed against us, we don't have any rights. You claim that we are barbarians, sub-humans. We are not Borgs trying to assimilate you. Can I make it any clearer? Also, this "barbarian" makes his points without throwing insults around, I am sure someone as civilized as yourself can try to do the same especially if you have the truth on your side as you claim.

>In short how typically Moslem you are in spite of all that fairy-tales criculating in the West of "Turkish secularisation" ! .. . You Turks are incurable liars and this is the most sickening and permanent charcteristcis of Turkishness. Lying not to hurt your tribal identity is your innermost nature! This is what I detest and contempt most. This is what makes your barbarity!

I quoted this since it makes my point about your hatred. Thanks for typing that. I'd also like to get your opinion about exactly at what point we become "barbarians", is it genetic "characteristic, innermost nature". Is a Turkish child a barbarian too? Exactly at what point do we become barbarians? If it is genetic, what is your proposed solution?

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