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Submitted by Bryan Jackson (Canada), Apr 23, 2007 at 20:34

It's called the will to survive coupled with superior military capability. Are you so cripplingly ignorant of history, or have you forgotten the many disastrous wars the united Muslim world launched against Israel, with the intent of genocide? It's only because the Israelis are far superior that they survived at all.Noah, if the entire Muslim world was after Israel even the vaunted IDF couldn't stop them. In 1973, even with just Egypt, Syria and Jordan lined up, they came rather close to beating them. Now add on Saudi, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Libya, the Gulf States, Pakistan......tell me the IDF could smoke that many forces? They couldn't. Pakistan's nuclear capability would be enough to almost finish the job themselves.

Sounds to me like you're just a Muslim apologist/propagandist. The so-called "Palestinians" (in actuality they are mainly Jordanians) enjoy all the same rights as Jews in Israel, and in fact enjoy far more rights and freedoms than they'd ever have in any Muslim country. Of course, that kindness on the part of Israel does not engender friendship, only continued war and terrorism.You clearly aren't paying attention to the human rights situation in the Occupied Territories if you believe that, because its total crap. For Israeli Arabs living in Israel you are correct, for Palestinians you most certainly are not. And the Jordanians comment is wrong - its the other way around, most Jordanians are displaced Palestinians.

I suggest you study the real history of the area instead of just the propaganda designed by the Nazi-collaborating PLO and other Muslims. The Palestinians are barbarians and don't belong as part of any civilized society. They worship destruction and vote in terrorist groups when given the freedom to vote.I cannot comment on this other than to say you are a truly ...to be making such assumptions. Israelis are good people, but Palestinians aren't? Tell me how a man like Baruch Goldstein is a good person, and all of the tens of thousands of Palestinians who have never picked up a weapon in their lives aren't? As for the vote for hamas, it was that or the corrupt, self-aggrandizing, hopeless at governing Fatah. Hamas gets stuff done for the Palestinians, they aren't just a terrorist group. If you did your homework before making such a comment, you woulda know that.

It's called a "police state" for a reason. Apparently you are also ignorant of the atrocities committed by Turkey over the years.
Police states do not get 250,000 people in the streets protesting against an Islamist prime minister. That doesn't happen in police states. And compared to even some European nations (i.e. Russia), Turkey is quite liberal. And I am not ignorant of their atrocities, tell me how many nations haven't committed human rights abuses? The UN says Costa Rica is the only one in the Western Hemisphere.

A Muslim is a Muslim. Your examples simply serve to prove my point. The only thing that will work is banning, deporting, isolating, and deterring. Muslims cannot live in civilized society without wreacking havoc, because Islam is a religion of barbarism and violence. There can be no debate on that issue.Tell me something here. If even 5% of Muslims are terrorist types, why punish the other 95%? Because you assume they are all gonna go after you? This comment is absolutely nothing but undiluted racism, because the fact that 30 million Muslims live in Europe with only a handful of terrorist acts - and of those, only THREE have been committed by home-grown Muslims - means that they CAN, and DO, live in civilized societies.

You would say that and they would laugh at your ignorance. They take advantage of the freedoms of the West in order to undermine the West. It is a battle of civilization vs. barbarism. They will not leave. They stay beause they are free to subvert our society. They must be forced to leave, every last one of them. Ban, deport, isolate, deter. The only solution.Many of them came here because they cannot live in their own societies or they will be killed. So, send thousands of people back to be slaughtered? Most of these nations do not tolerate dissidents, and if they have nowhere to go, tell me how do you expect those societies to change? Faced with such a situation, they have one solution - violence against the oppressors - which racists like you would just use to make a point about them being violent people.

And how do you propose to make 40 million people leave the West, anyways? Shoot them if they don't? Good luck trying to support that in our world. And what about those people reacting with violence? You gonna massacre communities because of a few brain-dead fools?

Then you're a fool. It's people like you, the delusional fools who fall for the enemy propaganda, who are the worst threat. It's gullible, delusional people like you who allow the Muslims a foothold, and support, and freedoms to enact their subversion.It's narrow-minded ... like you that breed terrorism in the first place. A person, regardless of their religion, does not wake up in the morning and decide he wants to kill a couple hundred people with a bunch of bombs as it was in Madrid. I am a realist, I would support any actions taken against the terrorists, but I will not EVER support tarring hundreds of millions of people with a meter-wide brush because of a few people who defile their own beliefs.

Pakistan is nuclear. And that is where the deterrence aspect happens. We tell them that if any Islamic state or entity attacks the USA, the immediate, automatic, non-negotiable response is an all-out nuclear annihilation of all Islamic population centers and "holy" sites. Tehran, Mecca, Medina, Riyadh, etc...they glow in the dark minutes after any Islamic attack.

The only thing Islam fears is non-existence, so we must threaten them with non-existence.

Another Osama bin Laden type pulls another terrorist attack, and hundreds of millions of Muslims die as a result, and you spread radioactive contamination around a massive chunk of the globe.

And technically, Jerusalem is a Muslim population center - you gonna nuke Jerusalem? You gonna hit Beirut, Damascus, Amman and Cairo, and in the process likely contaminate Israel for the next quarter million years?

And how are you gonna explain it to those of us who aren't seriously Islamophobic that because of one moron terrorist, who in all likelihood wouldn't give a shit what every other Muslim thought, we had to murder hundreds of millions of people?

You clearly do not understand anything I have written. I have repeatedly and clearly spelled out that the only way that we destroy them is if they launch an attack on us. Period. Do you comprehend that yet? We ban Islam, deport Muslims, isolate them, and deter them with the threat of nuclear annihilation.

First, once isolated, their inherent barbarism will force them to turn on themselves, as in the Iran/Iraq war. They'll be too busy raping, arsoning, murdering, and destroying one another to worry about us. Second, it will isolate them geographically and reduce the possibility of an attack against us to near zero, thus virtually guaranteeing that we never need launch a retaliatory nuclear strike. Right now we're wide open to attack, thus making a nuclear response more likely than in my scenario.

I have paid close attention to everything you have written, and it scares... me. As a Christian, part of our religion is to be righteous, and not to force our brothers into more violence.

What you are saying is force them to live in the 10th Century without any help at all, and every time some shiteater tries something stupid kill a whole load of innocent Muslims in retaliation. Yeah, that'll really help our current situation. It'll just make all of them hate us, and after a while the voice of reason will disappear - and at that point, war is totally inevitable, and then under your scenario we will have no choice but to murder all of them. As far as I am concerned, you are out of your mind.

Damn right I'm willing to incinerate 1.6 billion Muslims in a nuclear annihilation if they launch a mass terror attack against my country! I'd pay for the honor of flipping the launch switch myself! All they need to do to avoid that is act like civilized human beings instead of barbaric savages, put aside their religious hatred, and not attack us. They literally need to do absolutely nothing at all to remain totally safe from attack.

Most of the world's Muslims have put aside religious hatred. You are just thinking they are all savages. Some are, no question, but not all of them. That is the main distinction between you and I. If some dirtbag kills people here through terrorism, I'll shoot him myself. A few will always hate us, just as we have Christians who turn to violence to make a point. You are using one standard for Muslims and one for everyone else - and that is obvious racism.

I'm armed, Bryan. You and I may meet in a bar or on the street or perhaps we have a fender bender in traffic. The only way my weapon is ever drawn towards you is if you first draw one on me. Unless and until you actually attempt to kill me, you are 100% safe and there is 0% chance of me shooting you. Do you see my point? The only way I become a threat to your safety is if you decide to violently attack me. How much safer can you possibly be?

Read my above comment. A few screwups will always hate us, just as a few Christians will bomb abortion clinics and synagogues in the name of Christianity. That will never be totally supressed, and it will never be totally supressed in Islam either. And I am armed as well, Noah.

Get a clue, son. The showdown already happened, and we blinked. The war of survival is now happening. Every single Muslim who is not actively campaigning to reform Islam or who does not convert to another religion is the enemy, no different than Zawahiri, Bin Laden, or Amadmanjihad. By supporting the infrastructure, philosophy, and network that funds Islamic activities, they are the enemy by association even if not actively blowing things up. In many ways, they are even more deadly a threat than those out conducting terrorist acts. I'd sooner annihilate the silent supporters than the actual bombers.

You haven't looked at the Muslim world, have ya?

There is a reason why these reformers haven't become very vocal - because they get killed if they do! None of the Muslim states allow such protests, you know that. So explain to me again how we are to know whether they are reforming things or not? What are you expecting to see as proof they are changing themselves?

War of survival? There are more of us than them, and most of them don't believe in terribly different things than we do. Survival is a gross exagguration.

You're clearly ignorant of reality, history, current events, my theory, and my proposals. First, the only way the "psychos" (as you call them) will win is if we fail to ban, deport, isolate, and deter. They are undermining our societies as we speak. Try waking up to current events. Pay attention. See my link posted months ago about CAIR and what is happening in Detroit. It's time for the ignorant and the delusional to open their eyes, pull their heads out of their backsides, and sniff some reality for a change.

Modern society as we know it, and everything we spent over 200 years building up, will come to an end only if we fail to ban, deport, isolate, and deter the cancer known as "Islam". My proposal assures our continued existence.

We will always exist. You probably don't know that 75,000 Jews live in Iran and Ahmadinejad knows that. But have they been killed? Nope.

As for Detroit, I live in a Toronto suburb, my best friend lives in Dearborn, Michigan - ground zero for Muslims in America. Toronto has made multiculturalism one of its trademarks - with quite impressive results. Dearborn's biggest problem is that any of the old rivalries from the ME got brought here. That will inevitably happen regardless of where a person is from, and Detroit is already probably the biggest dump in the Western Hemisphere.

The psychos WANT us to discriminate against Muslims, because it gives them a cause and support. I say take that support out from underneath them.

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