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Submitted by Khushi Mehra (India), Jul 8, 2006 at 06:09

I am posting a lecture from a very well known professor who had courage to speak the Truth. I am sure he belongs to the league of legends to which Mr.Daniel Pipes belongs.

Hats Off to Mr.Daniel Pipes.

The Agenda of Islam - A War Between Civilizations

The war has started a long time ago between two civilizations - between the civilization based on the Bible and between the civilization based on the Koran. And this must be clear.

There is no fundamental Islam.
"Fundamentalism" is a word that came from the heart of the Christian religion. It means faith that goes by the word of the Bible. Fundamental Christianity, or going with the Bible, does not mean going around and killing people. There is no fundamental Islam. There is only Islam full stop. The question is how the Koran is interpreted.

All of a sudden we see that the greatest interpreters of Islam are politicians in the western world. They know better than all the speakers in the mosques, all those who deliver terrible sermons against anything that is either Christian or Jewish. These western politicians know that there is good Islam and bad Islam. They know even how to differentiate between the two, except that none of them know how to read a word of Arabic.

The Language of Islam
You see, so much is covered by politically correct language that, in fact, the truth has been lost. For example, when we speak about Islam in the west, we try to use our own language and terminology. We speak about Islam in terms of democracy and fundamentalism, in terms of parliamentarism and all kinds of terms, which we take from our own dictionary. One of my professors and one of the greatest orientalists in the world says that doing this is like a cricket reporter describing a cricket game in baseball terms. We cannot use for one culture or civilization the language of another. For Islam, you've got to use the language of Islam.

Driving Principles of Islam
Let me explain the principles that are driving the religion of Islam. Of course, every Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is only one God.
But it's not enough to say that there is only one God. A Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is one God and Mohammed is his prophet. These are the fundamentals of the religion that without them, one cannot be a Moslem.
But beyond that, Islam is a civilization. It is a religion that gave first and foremost a wide and unique legal system that engulfs the individual, society and nations with rules of behaviour. If you are Moslem, you have to behave according to the rules of Islam which are set down in the Koran and which are very different than the teachings of the Bible.

The Bible
Let me explain the difference.
The Bible is the creation of the spirit of a nation over a very, very long period, if we talk from the point of view of the scholar, and let me remain scholarly. But there is one thing that is important in the Bible. It leads to salvation. It leads to salvation in two ways.

In Judaism, it leads to national salvation - not just a nation that wants to have a state, but a nation that wants to serve God. That's the idea behind the Hebrew text of the Bible.

The New Testament that took the Hebrew Bible moves us toward personal salvation. So we have got these two kinds of salvation, which, from time to time, meet each other.

But the key word is salvation. Personal salvation means that each individual is looked after by God, Himself, who leads a person through His word to salvation. This is the idea in the Bible, whether we are talking about the Old or the New Testament. All of the laws in the Bible, even to the minutest ones, are, in fact directed toward this fact of salvation.

Secondly, there is another point in the Bible, which is highly important. This is the idea that man was created in the image of God. Therefore, you don't just walk around and obliterate the image of God. Many people, of course, used Biblical rules and turned them upside down. History has seen a lot of massacres in the name of God and in the name of Jesus. But as religions, both Judaism and Christianity in their fundamentals speak about honouring the image of God and the hope of salvation. These are the two basic fundamentals.

The Essence of Islam
Now let's move to the essence of Islam. Islam was born with the idea that it should rule the world.

Let's look, then, at the difference between these three religions. Judaism speaks about national salvation - namely that at the end of the story, when the world becomes a better place, Israel will be in its own land, ruled by its own king and serving God. Christianity speaks about the idea that every single person in the world can be saved from his sings, while Islam speaks about ruling the world. I can quote here in Arabic, but there is no point in quoting Arabic, so let me quote a verse in English. "Allah sent Mohammed with the true religion so that it should rule over all the religions."

The idea, then, is not that the whole world would become a Moslem world at this time, but that the whole world would be subdued under the rule of Islam.
When the Islamic empire was established in 634 AD, within seven years - 640 - the core of the empire was created. The rules that were taken from the Koran and from the tradition that was ascribed to the prophet Mohammed, were translated into a real legal system. Jews and Christians could live under Islam provided they paid poll tax and accepted Islamic superiority. Of course, they had to be humiliated. And Jews and Christians living under Islam are humiliated to this very day.

Mohammed Held That All the Biblical Prophets Were Moslems
Mohammed did accept the existence of all the Biblical prophets before him. However he also said that all these prophets were Moslems. Abraham was a Moslem. In fact, Adam himself was the first Moslem. Isaac and Jacob and David and Solomon and Moses and Jesus were all Moslems, and all of them had writings similar to the Koran. Therefore, world history is Islamic history because all the heroes of history were Moslems.

Furthermore, Moslems accept the fact that each of these prophets brought with him some kind of a revelation. Moses, brought the Taurat, which is the Torah, and Jesus brought the Ingeel, which is the Evangelion or Gospel - namely the New Testament.

The Bible vs. the Koran
Why then is the Bible not similar to the Koran?

Mohammed explains that the Jews and Christians forged their books. Had they not been changed and forged, they would have been identical to the Koran. But because Christians and Jews do have some truth, Islam concedes that they cannot be completely destroyed by war [for now].

Nevertheless, the laws a very clear - Jews and Christians have no rights whatsoever to independent existence. They can live under Islamic rule provided they keep to the rules that Islam promulgates for them.

Islamic Rule and Jihad
What happens if Jews and Christians don't want to live under the rules of Islam? Then Islam has to fight them and this fighting is called Jihad. Jihad means war against those people who don't want to accept the Islamic superior rule. That's jihad. They may be Jews; they may be Christians; they may be Polytheists. But since we don't have too many Polytheists left, at least not in the Middle East - their war is against the Jews and Christians.

A few days ago, I received a pamphlet that was distributed in the world by bin Laden. He calls for jihad against America as the leader of the Christian world, not because America is the supporter of Israel, but because Americans are desecrating Arabia with their filthy feet. There are Americans in Arabia were no Christians should be. In this pamphlet there is not a single word about Israel. Only that Americans are desecrating the home of the prophet.

Two Houses
The Koran sees the world as divided into two - one part which has come under Islamic rule and one part which is supposed to come under Islamic rule in the future. There is a division of the world which is very clear. Every single person who starts studying Islam knows it. The world is described as Dar al-Islam (the house of Islam) - that's the place where Islam rules - and the other part which is called Dar al-Harb - the house of war. Not the "house of non-Muslims," but the "house of war." It is this house of war which as to be, at the end of time, conquered. The world will continue to be in the house of war until it comes under Islamic rule.
This is the norm. Why? Because Allah says it's so in the Koran. God has sent Mohammed with the true religion in order that the truth will overcome all other religions.

Islamic Law
Within the Islamic vision of this world, there are rules that govern the lives of the Moslems themselves, and these rules are very strict. In fundamentals, there are no differences between schools of law.

However, there are four streams of factions within Islam with differences between them concerning the minutiae of the laws. All over the Islamic world, countries have favored one or another of these schools of laws.
The strictest school of law is called Hanbali, mainly coming out of Saudi Arabia. There are no games there, no playing around with the meanings of words. If the Koran speaks about war, then it's war.

There are various perspectives in Islam with different interpretations over the centuries. There were good people that were very enlightened in Islam that tried to understand things differently. They even brought traditions from the mouth of the prophet that women and children should not be killed in war.
These more liberal streams do exist, but there is one thing that is very important for us to remember. The Hanbali school of law is extremely strict, and today this is the school that is behind most of the terrorist powers. Even if we talk about the existence of other schools of Islamic law, when we're talking about fighting against the Jews, or fighting against the Christian world led by America, it is the Hanbali school of law that is being followed.

Islam and Territory
This civilization created one very important, fundamental rule about territory. Any territory that comes under Islamic rule cannot be de-Islamized. Even if at one time or another, the [non-Moslem] enemy takes over the territory that was under Islamic rule, it is considered to be perpetually Islamic.
This is why whenever you hear about the Arab/Israeli conflict, you hear - territory, territory, territory. There are other aspects to the conflict, but territory is highly important.

The Christian civilization has not only been seen as a religious opponent, but as a dam stopping Islam from achieving its final goal for which it was created.
Islam was created to be the army of God, the army of Allah. Every single Moslem is a soldier in this army. Every single Moslem that dies in fighting for the spread of Islam is a shaheed (martyr) no matter how he dies, because - and this is very important - this is an eternal word between the two civilizations. It's not a war that stops. This was is there because it was created by Allah. Islam must be the ruler. This is a war that will not end.

Islam and Peace
Peace in Islam can exist only within the Islamic world; peace can only be between Moslem and Moslem.

With the non-Moslem world or non-Moslem opponents, there can be only one solution - a cease fire until Moslems can gain more power. It is an eternal war until the end of days. Peace can only come if the Islamic side wins.
The two civilizations can only have periods of cease-fires. And this idea of cease-fire is based on a very important historical precedent, which, incidentally, Yasser Arafat referred to when he spoke in Johannesburg after he signed the Oslo agreement with Israel.

Let me remind you that the document speaks of peace - you wouldn't believe that you are reading! You would think that you were reading some science fiction piece. I mean when you read it, you can't believe that this was signed by Israelis who are actually acquainted with Islamic policies and civilization.

A few weeks after the Oslo agreement was signed, Arafat went to Johannesburg, and in a mosque there he made a speech in which he apologized, saying, "Do you think I signed something with the Jews which is contrary to the rules of Islam?" (I have obtained a copy of Arafat's recorded speech so I heard it from his own mouth.) Arafat continued, "That's not so. I'm doing exactly what the prophet Mohammed did."

Whatever the prophet is supposed have done becomes a precedent. What Arafat was saying was, "Remember the story of Hodaybiya." The prophet had made an agreement there with the tribe of Kuraish for 10 years. But then he trained 10,000 soldiers and within two years marched on their city of Mecca. He, of course, found some kind of pretext.

Thus, in Islamic jurisdiction, it became a legal precedent which states that you are only allowed to make peace for a maximum of 10 years.
Secondly, at the first instance that you are able, you must renew the jihad [thus breaking the "peace" agreement].

In Israel, it has taken over 50 years in this country for our people to understand that they cannot speak about [permanent] peace with Moslems. It will take another 50 years for the western world to understand that they have got a state of war with the Islamic civilization that is virile and strong. This should be understood: When we talk about war and peace, we are not talking in Belgium, French, English, or German terms. We are talking about war and peace in Islamic terms.

Cease-fire as a Tactical Choice
What makes Islam accept cease-fire? Only one thing - when the enemy is too strong. It is a tactical choice.

Sometimes, he may have to agree to a cease-fire in the most humiliating conditions. It's allowed because Mohammed accepted a cease-fire under humiliating conditions. That's what Arafat said to them in Johannesburg.
When western policy makers hear these things, they answer, "What are you talking about? You are in the Middle Ages. You don't understand the mechanisms of politics."

Which mechanisms of politics? There are no mechanisms of politics where power is. And I want to tell you one thing - we haven't seen the end of it, because the minute a radical Moslem power has atomic, chemical or biological weapons, they will use it. I have no doubt about that.

Now, since we face war and we know that we cannot get more than an impermanent cease-fire, one has to ask himself what is the major component of an Israeli/Arab cease-fire. It is that the Islamic side is weak and your side is strong. The relations between Israel and the Arab world in the last 50 years since the establishment of our State has been based only on this idea, the deterrent power.

Wherever You Have Islam, You Will Have War
The reason that we have what we have in Yugoslavia and other places is because Islam succeeded into entering these countries. Wherever you have Islam, you will have war. It grows out of the attitude of Islamic civilization.

What are the poor people in the Philippines being killed for? What's happening between Pakistan and India?

Islamic Infiltration
Furthermore, there is another fact that must be remembered. The Islamic world has not only the attitude of open war, but there's also war by infiltration.
One of the things which the western world is not paying enough attention to is the tremendous growth of Islamic power in the western world. What happened in America and the Twin Towers is not something that came from the outside. And if America doesn't wake up, one day the Americans will find themselves in a chemical war and most likely in an atomic war - inside the U.S.

End of Days
It is highly important to understand how a civilization sees the end of days. In Christianity and in Judaism, we know exactly what is the vision of the end of days.
In Judaism, it is going to be as in Isaiah - peace between nations, not just one nation, but between all nations. People will not have any more need for weapons and nature will be changed - a beautiful end of days and the kingdom of God on earth.

Christianity goes as far as Revelation to see a day that Satan himself is obliterated. There are no more powers of evil. That's the vision.

I'm speaking now as a historian. I try to understand how Islam sees the end of days. In the end of days, Islam sees a world that is totally Moslem, completely Moslem under the rule of Islam. Complete and final victory.

Christians will not exist, because according to many Islamic traditions, the Moslems who are in hell will have to be replaced by somebody and they'll be replaced by the Christians.

The Jews will no longer exist, because before the coming of the end of days, there is going to be a war against the Jews where all Jews should be killed. I'm quoting now from the heart of Islamic tradition, from the books that are read by every child in school. They Jews will all be killed. They'll be running away and they'll be hiding behind trees and rocks, and on that day Allah will give mouths to the rocks and trees and they will say, "Oh Moslem come here, there is a Jew behind me, kill him." Without this, the end of days cannot come. This is a fundamental of Islam.

Is There a Possibility to End This Dance of War?
The question which we in Israel are asking ourselves is what will happen to our country? Is there a possibility to end this dance of war?

The answer is, "No. Not in the foreseeable future." What we can do is reach a situation where for a few years we may have relative quiet.

But for Islam, the establishment of the state of Israel was a reverse of Islamic history. First, Islamic territory was taken away from Islam by Jews. You know by now that this can never be accepted, not even one meter. So everyone who thinks Tel Aviv is safe is making a grave mistake. Territory, which at one time was dominated by Islamic rule, now has become non-Moslem. Non-Moslems are independent of Islamic rule; Jews have created their own independent state. It is anathema.

And (this is the worse) Israel, a non-Moslem state, is ruling over Moslems. It is unthinkable that non-Moslems should rule over Moslems.

I believe that Western civilization should hold together and support each other. Whether this will happen or not, I don't know. Israel finds itself on the front lines of this war. It needs the help of its sister civilization. It needs the help of America and Europe. It needs the help of the Christian world. One thing I am sure about, this help can be given by individual Christians who see this as the road to salvation.

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Sorry to sound like Bernard Woolley, but... [46 words]Kevin MJul 15, 2006 14:0749050
turning other cheek doesn't mean not confronting others [140 words]pluto's dadJul 6, 2006 10:3849049
The pope is a appeasement clown! [20 words]JackJul 6, 2006 10:3649048
Let he who has ACTUALLY been slapped decide if he wants to turn the other cheek [108 words]CarlosJul 6, 2006 10:1549047
Vatican plans to conquer/convert Islam [110 words]David Ben-ArielJul 6, 2006 10:0549045
Thumb in JPII's ecumenical eye [115 words]DLJul 6, 2006 10:0149043
Consider This... [75 words]JeffJul 6, 2006 17:2849043
Jeff, you miss the point [158 words]DLJul 6, 2006 19:3449043
Trickery [158 words]LindaJul 7, 2006 10:0349043
DL Give Benedict XVI Credit That He Is Realistic [53 words]AnneMJul 7, 2006 11:5949043
Too Late [100 words]WestJul 6, 2006 08:5049038
Let the Vatican recognize Jerusalem [108 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDJul 6, 2006 08:3749035
Indoctrination is not compatible with freedom of religion [132 words]History Has ShownJul 6, 2006 07:3849030
Another valuable article [129 words]Char TierneyJul 6, 2006 07:1749029
Muslims Against Humanity! [1410 words]kamekishJul 6, 2006 02:5649014
The Vatican Confronts Islam [87 words]steven LJul 6, 2006 00:5549011
Shhhhh! Don't Anybody Tell the Arabist Dhimmis in the State Department That .... [46 words]gunjamJul 6, 2006 00:3949009
Catholics and Muslims [42 words]Timothy B. RobertsJul 6, 2006 00:1649008
I'm just wondering... [14 words]John C. RandolphJul 5, 2006 23:3149002
Vatican confronts Islam [106 words]Nenette GrunbergJul 5, 2006 23:1949001
The fear of Islam [133 words]f.shakkiJul 5, 2006 22:3848999
The Islamic threat really becoming very dangerous [253 words]MosheJul 7, 2006 09:1448999
You did not learn from history [266 words]f.shakkiJul 7, 2006 23:1048999
f.shakki, you are right! [4 words]MosheJul 12, 2006 03:3848999
Cathedral of Saint Jude [61 words]Thomas MahanyJul 5, 2006 22:1748998
Vatican's Attitude Vs. The world's greatest Colonialist Army called Islam [988 words]TTSJul 5, 2006 22:0248994
Mr.TTS , you are absolutely correct , we need to ........ [293 words]NathulalaJul 8, 2006 10:1248994
Islam is the best [256 words]Muhammad Umar HashmiOct 4, 2009 13:5748994
Wishful Thinking [41 words]John DJul 5, 2006 21:4248988
What rights? [36 words]H. YazdiJul 5, 2006 21:3548985
Paradox [61 words]MosheJul 7, 2006 05:5548985
Yay for Pope Benny! [128 words]Richard B.Jul 5, 2006 21:0348982
Won't be happening... [318 words]DonJul 5, 2006 20:4448979
Reciprocity [36 words]Josef KleinJul 5, 2006 19:0248976
Islam is Work-in Progress [266 words]Iftekhar HaiJul 5, 2006 18:2948972
To Iftekhar: A good idea but... [84 words]Richard Lion heartJul 7, 2006 00:0448972
I'm afraid you're speaking to the wrong audience [89 words]Rick HouseJul 9, 2006 01:3948972
Indian subcontinent is under siege by Islamic Invaders [388 words]Lawrence DavisJul 9, 2006 13:4048972
Islam v. Radical Islam [273 words]Bill StoreyJul 5, 2006 18:0348969
Christians, Catholics, Must Rediscover The Pratice Of The "Just War" Theory [104 words]AnneMJul 5, 2006 17:5948968
Non-Muslims ALWAYS a lower ranking mortal [123 words]HannahJul 5, 2006 17:4548965
Muslims Must Be Confronted About Their Abusive Culture [241 words]AlexanderJul 5, 2006 17:3248960
What Muslims can do ????? [246 words]MarkusJul 9, 2006 14:1948960
It has to begin somewhere [107 words]David W. LincolnJul 5, 2006 17:1748959
Pope John Paul II on Islam [266 words]LindaJul 5, 2006 16:4948953
Reciprocity is a pipe dream [90 words]Rick HouseJul 5, 2006 16:3148951
Thanks, Rick [9 words]LDCJul 5, 2006 17:0348951
Recpirocity is a pipe dream [167 words]AndrewJul 5, 2006 17:4348951
Conversion is the only answer [91 words]docdaveJul 6, 2006 13:5948951
Conversion [82 words]DaisyJul 6, 2006 19:1248951
Mad Catholics? Uh, Oh. [125 words]LDCJul 5, 2006 16:0848949
1Defending Pius XII [817 words]Noah NehmJul 6, 2006 00:1248949
You're Right, Noah... [209 words]LDCJul 6, 2006 17:0048949
Make your mind up, LDC [392 words]Sword of Islam & The Babies of BeslanJul 8, 2006 07:4848949
For the Ages [209 words]LDCJul 10, 2006 08:1048949
Bang that drum! [736 words]Sword of Islam & The Babies of BeslanJul 11, 2006 08:4848949
Get some perspective, LDC [763 words]Sword of Islam & The Babies of BeslanJul 11, 2006 16:3448949
When I type fsat... [433 words]LDCJul 11, 2006 18:1248949
On the Contrary [540 words]LDCJul 12, 2006 19:3548949
Not so fsat! [650 words]Sword of Islam & The Babies of BeslanJul 13, 2006 21:4948949
Well said [159 words]LDCJul 14, 2006 18:3248949
Interesting indeed! [178 words]Saikat BiswasJul 5, 2006 15:1648948
Meaning of the Word, Radical [191 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Walter ManchurJul 5, 2006 14:5248944
Ya... right! [6 words]Steve JonesJul 5, 2006 13:5848942
It's about time [615 words]ChristinaJul 5, 2006 13:5748941
christina [124 words]ahmad zafireJul 5, 2006 21:2048941
My dear Ahmed [44 words]joeJul 7, 2006 18:1748941
sorry for you joe [65 words]ahmadzafireJul 10, 2006 09:0048941
Mr Pipes is great but he's wrong when he claim "allah is God" and "kuran will be reformed" [468 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
ItalianAug 1, 2006 20:0148941
Islam v Civilization [194 words]surjJan 1, 2007 21:3348941
1Misconceptions about Matt 5:39 [138 words]Steve CooperJul 5, 2006 13:4848939
Correct [35 words]LDCJul 5, 2006 17:0648939
steve [240 words]ahmad zafireJul 5, 2006 21:4648939
APPEASEMENT WILL BE THE DOWNFALL OF THE FREE WORLD. [206 words]Janet AnnJul 5, 2006 13:3648938
What took so long [79 words]Stuart BliwasJul 5, 2006 13:3248937
WCC=UN [99 words]LDCJul 5, 2006 17:1248937
Clarification [64 words]Stuart BliwasJul 6, 2006 19:1648937
WCC & RCC [91 words]LDCJul 7, 2006 15:4448937
To LDC Thanks [33 words]Stuart BliwasJul 11, 2006 19:2048937
Not a Detailed Source [26 words]LDCJul 12, 2006 18:5248937
Finally! [96 words]Kevin MJul 5, 2006 13:1348936
De Paolis deserves being supported But the issue is not Dar al Islam, it is Dar al Dictatoriah (dictatorship) [358 words]HARRAKJul 5, 2006 12:5448935
A possible interesting result of a policy demanding reciprocity [272 words]J. Keen HollandJul 5, 2006 12:5448934
Good news, but it's time for a new paradigm for achieving a sustainable Peace ... only through Justice [100 words]Norman KurlandJul 5, 2006 12:4248933
Abraham Federation & Islamism [123 words]Richard FoleyJul 7, 2006 20:5848933
Truly remarkable [136 words]SHmuel HaleviJul 5, 2006 12:4148932
Vatican prepares to butt heads with Islam [39 words]David Ben-ArielJul 6, 2006 10:1248932
GOOD ARTICLE [5 words]PJMJul 5, 2006 12:0048931
It's getting louder [415 words]No DhimmiJul 5, 2006 11:4648926
Washingon, Jefferson, Adams all terrorized by islam [127 words]PDMJul 6, 2006 10:0548926
confronting Islam [155 words]joeJul 5, 2006 11:3548924
Joe - History repeats itself again and again [130 words]JaladhiJul 5, 2006 17:4348924
elementary demographics [120 words]G.BisvasJul 6, 2006 13:4048924
The same old, same old.... [233 words]JimJul 6, 2006 14:1648924
'Radical' Islam is a misnomer [279 words]JimJul 6, 2006 16:2248924
Peace-loving, egalitarian Muslims are the aberration in Islam. [215 words]RonJul 8, 2006 09:2648924
Faith and Force are inseperable [387 words]Ralph C Whaley MDJul 8, 2006 13:4948924
Selective Reasoning [135 words]Dan ParkerJul 8, 2006 17:5948924
Re: Selective reasoning [139 words]RonJul 10, 2006 13:0348924
Re: Selective reasoning [424 words]MosheJul 11, 2006 06:0248924
Selective Reasoning [194 words]Dan ParkerJul 11, 2006 18:2448924
Thanks Moshe [381 words]JimJul 12, 2006 14:2748924
To Moshe [332 words]RonJul 14, 2006 08:5848924

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