bayezid: You wrote: ‘you deny the truth and thus harm your own soul'. Now read and discover the harm you to yourself
Submitted by Plato (India), Jan 1, 2009 at 22:59
bayezid, you write:
>>ALLAH does not have to abuse you or curse you. you do that to yourself.<<
Read these verses: 3:25, 3:87, 3:61, 9:30, 2:159, 2:161, 2:165… In these and other verses Allah is cursing people like me. I can curse myself, but I don't do it as often as Allah does.
>>you deny the truth and thus harm your own soul. so only after that does HE curse you. can you blame HIM?<<
Who else can I blame? Remember writing these sentences:
1. yeah youre right. youre catching on. you are unbeliever cuz HE willed it is right
2. but do you realize that HE also wills that you are too stupid to realize that HE has given you the capability to ask HIM for guidance and so you are unabale to even wish to be a bekliever.
3. one can only wonder what is keeping you from improving your condition. whatever does happen and does not, all is by HIS will
( good for you)
After reading what you had written before who do you think I should blame for my denying the truth that harms my soul? Allah or me?? How stupid of me, me!
>> i mean you do it to yourself. if you are going around the street asking people to slap you and when they dont you are angry, they slap you. and then you actually blame them ?? wheres the logic in that, oh great plato?<<
Let us see what Allah does. He creates me to be an unbeliever who has been programmed to be an unbeliever even before I am born. Allah brings meinto the world, and as per Allah's design I refuses to believe in Him. This infuriates Allah no end and He goes about abusing me for not believing in Him exactly as He had designed me not to. Allah actually blames me for it and consigns me to hell. You see the beautiful unshakeable Islamic logic in this don't you, oh great bayezid?
>>do not forget that ALLAH did give you a choice to believe. to hearken to HIS words.<<
Let me remind you of what you wrote again: ‘. yeah youre right. youre catching on. you are unbeliever cuz HE willed it is right'.
Does this mean that I have a choice in my belief? Now read this aya: 010.099
How in Allah's name can I hearken to His words if He has created me to not hearken to His words? Only Islamic logic will rescue you here.
>>but your not doing that.<<
How in Allah's name can I ‘do that' if He has created me not to do it??
>>insted you are being a tough guy on daniel pipes.<<
Reading Muslim posters on this blog is sure to strengthen one's mental muscles.
>>if you knew that when ALLAH is angry or sad at you it must mean you have a job to do. ae you doing that?<<
No I am not doing what it takes to please Allah because He created me to make Him hopping mad or sigh with sadness at what He made me do.
>> HE did give you the ability to ask him for guidance. are you doing that?<<
Again go back to your post: good for you . This is what you told me there: . but do you realize that HE also wills that you are too stupid to realize that HE has given you the capability to ask HIM for guidance and so you are unabale to even wish to be a bekliever.
You have told me in no uncertain terms that Allah has denied me the capability to ask for His guidance. How do I go against what He has willed?
>>so yeah plato, whatever done by HIM is nothing short of wonderful.<<
Yes, I realize what Allah does is truly wonderful. Isn't it wonderful that He creates me so stupid that I do not realize I have been given the ability to ask His guidance. For this He gets furious at me and threatens to fry me in Hell. Did He after all leave some semblance of intelligence in me so that I would realize that I had the capability to ask for His guidance? Allah is truly a wonderful, wonderful being.
>>it does inspire great wonder. take your own example. if you know u r an unbeliever and thus doomed to fail then the least you can do is ask ALLAH for help.<<
Your and Allah's logic does inspire great wonder and awe in me. I know that I am an unbeliever and doomed to fail. What then is the use of wasting my breath by asking for Allah's help. I will have to have a will superior to Allah's to able to do that. ? He has already decided my exact location in Hell
>>but knowing that you are going the wrong way, you are not doing anything about it. you are not wishing for a good end .HE is your lord. and all ours.<<
How the hell can I wish for a good end when Allah has already decreed that I come to a bad end? 008.044 YUSUFALI: And remember when ye met, He showed them to you as few in your eyes, and He made you appear as contemptible in their eyes: that Allah might accomplish a matter already enacted. For to Allah do all questions go back (for decision).
>> you know very well that you need no proof for god.<<
You keep forgetting that Allah has made me so stupid that I do not know that I cannot ask such silly things as asking for proof of Allah's existence. Since I am so stupid it would be child's play for you to demonstrate Allah's existence. Even children younger than my mental age know that to accept anything without proof, even Allah's existence, is to be a fool of the highest order.
>>cll urself an atheist or whatever, you really cannot deny him. you dont really have to come to religion just yet, just call him sincerely in any way you like. youll see you get the answer.<<
Since I am a self-confessed atheist how can I possibly be sincere in calling upon Allah. I would no longer be an atheist in that case. If Allah showed Himself to me and I still did not believe in Him then I would be even stupider than He created me. That would again mean a defect in Allah's creation. To get past this problem, you will have to sharpen your capabilities in Islamic logic.
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