bayezid: Allah's challenge to imitate the Koran is silly to the point of being ridiculous
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Submitted by Plato (India), Dec 19, 2008 at 23:19
bayezid, you wrote:
>>quran is word of GOD. i dont have to prove it to you myself, ALLAH challenges anyone who disbeieves. ALLAH challenges you to write a book like this. 1400 years and we are still waiting.<<
This just goes to show that you have limited your reading to what is between the covers of the Koran. I can tell you of many books that are better written and contain ideas that are superior to what is in the Koran. The Koran contains nearly 400 verses that speak of torture and other punishments. It contains several abusive verses. It contains nonsense science.
Read Omar Khayam's Rubayyat. Read the Bhagwat Geeta. The Geeta was written much before the Koran. Who is to sit in judgment on whether the Koran or the Rubayyat or the Geeta is superior? Muslims, Hindus, atheists? Allah has shown His silliness by making this idiotic challenge and making Muslims parrot it as though it is some kind of irrefutable scientific proof that the Koran is the word communicated to Muhammad by a phantom being who heard it from another Phantom.
>>you speak as if you knew reality. shoud i simply take this as arrogance or ignorance. you have to tell me that.<<
Does the Koran contain reality? Take a look at the reality in the Koran:
There are many other verses where Allah (Muhammad) shows his ignorance of basic science.
Humans have every right to be arrogant about their achievements and derisive about the ignorance the Koran contains. Humans know more about reality that the Allah of the Koran.
>>being humans who use only a fraction of our brain, how can we claim to know about reality?<<
Using this tiny fraction of our brain we have shown that the earth rotates around the sun and not the other way around as the Koran says. We have shown that the moon is in the lowest heaven and not among the heavens as the Koran says.
041.012 YUSUFALI: So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and ……
071.016: "'And made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (Glorious) Lamp?
Even with our tiny brains we have managed to look into distances of trillions of kilometers.
>>GOD isnt a planet or a thing that is subject to your eyesight or senses, so you cant see him. you seem like a smart person but dont you know that not everything that exists can be seen?<<
You are assuming that the person you are addressing claimed that he/she can see everything that exists. Why do you do that?
>>so you dont believe in bacteria? bacteria exists. you just dont see them.
you dont believe in your brain? u cant see it but it definitely is inside your skiull.
you dont believe in frequencies or waves? im sure you cant see them.<<
There you go again thinking you can read Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan's mind. Where has he stated that he does not believe bacteria exists or that he does not believe in his own brain or waves.
>>so i dare say that you havent really undrstood the concept of god. i understnd your skepticism. and let me add, i pity you.<<
As he has told you your pity is wasted on him. You should look for easier game.
>>for your information, the aboriginal people, like all other tribes are remnants of previous civilizations. and with all due respect, they received guidance specifically for themselves. such isnt the case with islam. islam is directed to mankind. the aboriginal or indus beliefs werent. only for themselves.so that is the difference that arrogant secuarists fail to notice. so forgive me if i cant really give much value to your argument. looks like you have yet to grasp this logic.<<
Before using the word logic, look it up in the dictionary. Since you have no clue to what normal logic is let me give it to you: (Wordweb): The principles that guide reasoning within a given field or situation.
Now consider your grasp of logic. You make a statement that the aboriginals are remnants of previous civilizations without giving us the evidence for it. Then you state that they received guidance (the Koran told you that??). Then you jump to the conclusion that this isn't the case with Islam and that it is directed at all mankind (the Koran does not state this, rather says it is for the pagans of Mecca and nearby places, Sura 6 verse 92.) Next you state that aboriginal faiths were only for themselves unlike Islam and that some arrogant secularists don't agree that this is the case (you have not quoted one single secularist as evidence). You conclude that you cannot give value to the poster's arguments without even stating what those arguments were. You further conclude that the poster has no grasp of logic.
I hope you can now see the kind of grasp you have of logic. But I will grant you that you have given a nice demonstration of the Islamic logic that you learn in mosques and madrassas.
>> and speaking of primitive religions. all primitive religions at one point worshipped the one god. the same god we all know. later on they were corrupted. this is confirmed by anthropologists and historians. ill name u a few. wilhem shcmidt, steven langdon, don richardson. and oh yes, max mueller. just to name a few of course.<<
Out of all the anthropologists and historians you have mentioned you could have quoted one or two to prove your point. You sound very much like your Allah who likes to make bombastic statements without rhyme or reason.
>>we dont hate the beliefs of people. we just know them to be redundant and old. but what have you, we try to explain it to them they take ito therwise. talk about narrow mindedness.<<
You may not hate other people's beliefs but your Allah and his Prophet hates unbelievers' beliefs enough to fry them in hell and inflict other unspeakable tortures on them.
004.116 YUSUFALI: Allah forgiveth not (The sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this: one who joins other gods with Allah, Hath strayed far, far away (from the right).
And what does the merciful and wise Allah do to those who stray far, far away? Read:
04:056 Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
Yes, now let us talk of narrow mindedness. Is there a more narrow-minded being than Allah? Read 4:116 again to see the level of Allah's narrow-mindedness. He will not tolerate anyone worshipping other than Him
>> ALLAH himself says there were always prophets to every nation on earth. so we are totally ok with what bunjil says. but we also know that bunjil wanted those messages to be followed temporarily.<<
Quote one sentence from Bunjil to show that he/she wanted the messages to be followed temporarily. Now if Bunjil is a true god (i.e. Allah) of the ancients why would he give out temporary messages? Does He not know that there are better messages up His sleeve. Why did He wait for the Arabs to appear and the Prophet to be born before sending us His final word? He could as well have given Bunjil the final message and be done with it instead of having people mess around with his precious words. Does this not show up Allah's bias towards the Arabs and the Prophet?
>>ALLAH gave you a free will do what you will with it. you really dont need the approval of the musims for it im sure.<<
Allah seems to have given unbelievers free will because despite the fact that Allah wants everyone to believe in Him unbelievers simply refuse to do so. That is free will for sure.
But Allah has made Muslims into zombies. You have to genuflect like clock-work toys five times a day at a signal from Allah's mosques. You do not have the freedom to think for yourself about the Koran as it says if you question anything in it you will lose your faith:
005.101-102 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if ye ask about things when the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, Allah will forgive those…… Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.
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