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Submitted by bayezid (Bangladesh), Dec 24, 2008 at 10:34

verses from the quran are ! better than the verses you provided from the other books. first and foremost. you havent really presented any of them in therir original language. so that kills a big part in judging the melody and the beauty.

even with translated versions there are things to notice which even a simple bigoted, and cynical mind such as yours will agree upon.

but let me say it beforehand, the injeel and the veda are beautiful. they contained revelation from GOD earlier. but quran is total reveltion. total speech.

in rig veda and the bible you have people speaking about GOD. in quran you have GOD speaking about HIMSELF and man. quran contains direct messages and instructions. veda and bible do not.

it is beautiful how prayer is made to the lord and how one loses onel\sef in wonder at his glory as stated by you respectively in bible and veda. but it is more beautiful when GOD talks. lets face it GOD as HE is , does sound better than HIS creations :man. GOD tells us in the simplest way how HE created the universe. HE tells us how beautiful and hbitable HE made the earth for us. and it does not conflict with science. in HIS speech we find truths about ourselves and we know our purpose. count the number of topics and issues god brings up in quran and count the ones in bible or veda. you will find the answer yourself.

below are the passages from the 3 books you presented. lets make a short comparison on them.

Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,

the power and the glory,

for ever and ever.

Amen

(King James Bible AD 1611)

There was neither non-existence nor existence then.
There was neither the realm of space nor the sky which is beyond.
What stirred?
Where?
In whose protection?
Was there water, bottlemlessly deep?

There was neither death nor immortality then.
There was no distinguishing sign of night nor of day.
That One breathed, windless, by its own impulse.
Other than that there was nothing beyond.

Darkness was hidden by darkness in the beginning,
with no distinguishing sign, all this was water.
The life force that was covered with emptiness,
that One arose through the power of heat.

Desire came upon that One in the beginning,
that was the first seed of mind.
Poets seeking in their heart with wisdom
found the bond of existence and non-existence.

Their cord was extended across.
Was there below?
Was there above?
There were seed-placers, there were powers.
There was impulse beneath, there was giving forth above.

Who really knows?
Who will here proclaim it?
Whence was it produced?
Whence is this creation?
The gods came afterwards, with the creation of this universe.
Who then knows whence it has arisen?

Whence this creation has arisen
– perhaps it formed itself, or perhaps it did not –
the One who looks down on it,
in the highest heaven, only He knows
or perhaps He does not know.

Translation by Wendy Doniger O'Flaherty. From the Book "The Rig Veda - Anthology"

Koran: Al Ala:
YUSUFALI: Glorify the name of thy Guardian-Lord Most High, Who hath created, and further, given order and proportion;
Who hath ordained laws. And granted guidance;
And Who bringeth out the (green and luscious) pasture,
And then doth make it (but) swarthy stubble.
By degrees shall We teach thee to declare (the Message), so thou shalt not forget,

Except as Allah wills: For He knoweth what is manifest and what is hidden.
And We will make it easy for thee (to follow) the simple (Path).
Therefore give admonition in case the admonition profits (the hearer).
The admonition will be received by those who fear (Allah):
But it will be avoided by those most unfortunate ones,
Who will enter the Great Fire,

In which they will then neither die nor live.

But those will prosper who purify themselves,
And glorify the name of their Guardian-Lord, and (lift their hearts) in prayer.
Day (behold), ye prefer the life of this world;
But the Hereafter is better and more enduring.
And this is in the Books of the earliest (Revelation),-
The Books of Abraham and Moses.

notice that out of the 3 books, only in quran is god almighty speaking. but in the other books the speaking is done by people. revealtion means from GOD. so who better to speak it than GOD?

notice the style in speech in the 3 books. in the surah there is a clear cut message of what to do and why given clearly. but at the sme time the ayah talks about how ALLAH made things beautiful for us and how he not only created creation but also deliberted it and shaped it for us to notice. ALLAH has also given us an insight as to how fertile pastures are drawn from the earth and how it becomes so aundant.and ALLAH tells us also how people in hell will neither die nor live which is uncannily eye opening since we do have comatose patients that neither die nor live. so ALLAH, while talking about our objectives and duties also informs us and gives us insights about his creation.neither in the bible and veda passages do you have the info presented in a more intimate and precise way. the bible passage simply talks about a man praying to god and the veda simply wonders at god's existence and existence of things. they may be nice to read to some extent, but the info in them is nothing compared to what ALLAH gives in the quran in simple messages.

the language in which the quran is revealed cannot be changed. it cannot be written substituting one word for the other. neither can the sentence structure be altered. veda and bibles cases are different.

i will present a short ayahon creation from surah al anbiyaa

30. Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

31. And We have placed on the earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them, and We placed therein broad highways for them to pass through, that they may be guided.

32. And We have made the heaven a roof, safe and well guarded. Yet they turn away from its signs (i.e. sun, moon, winds, clouds, etc.).

33. And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating.

34. And We granted not to any human being immortality before you (O Muhammad ), then if you die, would they live forever?

35. Everyone is going to taste death, and We shall make a trial of you with evil and with good, and to Us you will be returned.

and mind you its the translated version. now you prooooove to me that there is a passage in ither bible or veda regarding the creation and the world in such correct, melodious detail than here in the quran.

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