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Submitted by bayezid (Bangladesh), Dec 27, 2008 at 08:18

>>Neither have I presented the Koranic verses in Arabic. Since all three have been translated into English, you can expect they would suffer about equal damage to their original beauty and sense. If I had presented them in Sanskrit or Aramaic would you have been able to appreciate them?

how kind of you to take the trouble to translate them for me. what i was simply saying was if you considered the way the quran is recited and read in its original language, you wouldve seen yet another beautiful aspect of it altogether. read the veda or the bible in their languages and then compare to quran, youll see the difference.

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My simple, cynical mind wants to know what they contain now. Garbage?? What happened to Allah's unchangeable words 006.034 YUSUFALI: Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers.

no, books dont hold garbage. trashbins do. im sure you have one in your room. i dont see what you find so objectionable here. the quran came down totally in ALLAH's words. those previous rvelations did not. they came in ideas and words partially unlike the quran. that is why those could be corrupted. and in the above verse, ALLAH is talking to Muhammad pbuh the last prophet. and HE is talking about the words of the quran here. not previous books. so there you go.

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Just a few sentences ago you said they contain the revelation from God. What now makes you say they are people speaking about God? Let that be. But tell me weren't what those people spoke revelations from God?

again, like your previous inquiry. with a sinister touch of course. but hey its ok. i love it sinister. its challenging. they may contain revelation, but unlike the quran. i exlpained earlier that the previous books did not come as direct words. al quran is the only book that did. the bible and veda has revelation in it, inspired by GOD to messengers, but in words of the prophets.

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Koran contains direct message? You are kidding me. Did not Muhammad himself admit that he received it second hand from Gabriel and what you have is what was written down by his listeners and compiled much later. You also admit they are revelations from Allah and Allah being all-powerful is capable of communicating His message clearly to His prophets of the Vedas and Bible. If you deny this you are denying that Allah is all-powerful. So what happened to Allah's words in the Vedas and Bible?

lol no im not kidding you. i kid my 9 year old nephew. direct maeesage from GOD to prophet. this is the case of the quran only. ALLAH says that. the quran wasnt ideas set in words of the prophet. it was simply dictated. dictated. word for word. that makes it directly GOD's words. yet again, prophets before this never had this privilege. their revelations wer not coming down in dictation.

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I have read some parts of the Vedas, quite a bit of the Bible and every bit of the Koran. The Koran cannot hold a candle to either the Vedas or the NT. And I am an atheist. I have no axe to grind.

but you have been grinding your axe since forever. conflict of words dear friend. so you tell me, for a man who cant even have his priorities right, how should i simply take your word for it? if the words of ALLAH hold no meaning to you then its simply a matter of your perception.but here is what ALLAH has to say about this.

Those who reject our signs are deaf and dumb,- in the midst of darkness profound: whom Allah willeth, He leaveth to wander: whom He willeth, He placeth on the way that is straight.

from surah al an'am

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I have noticed. I have also noticed that you have forgotten this is all about a challenge in the Koran that it cannot be imitated. You reject it on the ground that the other verses are not direct words of Allah, then what remains of the challenge?

This is what you had written: "quran is word of GOD. i dont have to prove it to you myself, ALLAH challenges anyone who disbeieves. ALLAH challenges you to write a book like this. 1400 years and we are still waiting."

And this is the challenge in the Koran:

010.038 YUSUFALI: Or do they say, "He forged it"? say: "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!"

011.013 YUSUFALI: Or they may say, "He forged it," Say, "Bring ye then ten suras forged, like unto it, and call (to your aid) whomsoever ye can, other than Allah!- If ye speak the truth

whoa !!! oh man !! you just answered your own question here. lol. or has ALLAH done it ?? the challenge for you to imitate the quran is barefaced and glaring in your face. you are more than welcome to take it up. ALLAH challenges you. not me.

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Out of this tafsir of yours I have underlined two sentences. You triumphantly proclaim that since Allah says unbelievers (who He created as unbelievers) will be in a state where they are neither dead nor alive He is comparing them to comatose patients. Comatose patients don't feel a thing. But in several other verses Allah informs us those in hell will feel excruciating pain and will endlessly swallow pus and other unmentionable stuff. This verse is contradicting those other verses. So the info contained in this verse is wrong or all the verses are wrong. What happens to all the other info contained in it?

Why have you avoided comparing the Lord's Prayer with the Fatiha which you consider the greatest verse since time began. It does sound puerile compared to the Lord's prayer does it not? The Al Fatiha is a vacuous verse of narcissistic self-praise. Here it is again.

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
Master of the Day of Judgment.
Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
Show us the straight way,

compare this with the prayer from the bible. here ALLAH says how we should call upon HIM. GOD literally tells us how to do it. that biblical prayer does not. here the GOD is glorified in beautiful insightful ways. where is the lord being glorified in the biblical prayer? show me. here ALLAH tells us HE is the most merciful and compassionate. for our benefit. where is that in the biblical prayer ??

we are praying o god. who better than him to show us how to do it? common sense.

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The heavens and the earth were never joined together. The heavens appeared at least 10 billion years before the earth. This is Zakir Naik's nonsense science. In other places the Koran says living things are made of clay or dust.

wow you are not just an atheist. yo are scientifically oblique. dont you know of the super dense and super heated mass tht existed before the big bang? then it expoded. thats why they call it the big bang. zakir naik hardly makes up stories as you do. he simply used scientific facts. now you are challenging scientists hahahahaha.

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Mountains were themselves formed by earthquakes and expulsions of lava. In fact many of them are at the fault lines of the earth where the maximum earthquakes occur. You are in Bangladesh, a flat land, how many earthquakes have you experienced? Skip to Pakistan a very mountainous area and add up the earthquakes and the deaths caused. The mountains were useless as earth stabilizers.

oh wow. even after countless geo physiscists and geologists claim that mountains act as stakes, you are still ubelieving. you really are hopeless. lol. this is scientific fact.

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The earth being a roof is what pre-civilisation man thought.

the earth is a roof?? dont you mean the heavens??? thats what ALLAH says right? the heaven is a roof. the atmosphere protects life on this planet from harmful uv rays. meteroites burn and scatter as they fall in earth. so withoutthe atmoshere, you wouldnt be anjoying a nice day at the beach. loks like the pre civilized people knew better than you.

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>>35. Everyone is going to taste death, and We shall make a trial of you with evil and with good, and to Us you will be returned.<<

Allah is just stating the obvious.

yes HE is. but do you see why HE does that? even when you know your gonna die, we still act arrogantly.you are doing that. so HE does it for a reason. it is a reminder.

im looking forward to bashing more of your criticisms in the future. tata.

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