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Submitted by Tez Dhar (Canada), Sep 14, 2006 at 05:11

Dear Brother Rakshas,

"What happened to all the Muslims who were 80% of the Indian population?"

I may have mistyped my last reply or you may have misinterpreted it. I didnt mean to give in figures. But as a general case do a wikipedia search on the word Moghul - A Muslim Dynasty which ruled over India for roughly 2 centuries and had the greatest impact on its heritage, history and culture, you will find in the first paragraph that most of the subjects were "Hindus" which mathematically interpreting means at the extreme least more than 50% of the people under the Moghul empire were Hindus. A point to mention here, the Hindus also flourished during this time period. Where are your oppressing Muslim Jihadists here?

"What is the source of your statistics?"

Wikipedia, didnt have time to search elswhere.

"And did they reconvert to Hinduism, or what?"

People convert from both religions, it doesnt matter if they were reconverted, as they were never forced to convert to islam in the first place, as a source (if u require here it is http://www.milligazette.com/dailyupdate/20021028.htm)

"They became apostates, and have lived to tell the tale and thrived despite doing so? "

SO are you asking or telling me ?

What happened to the Islamic population bomb?

Islamic Population bomb ? What are you talking about ? If you are talking about the increase in the Muslim Population, it is because of the large number of enlighted people who care to see behind the satin curtains of a monopolised newsroom and seek the true innate humanity and beauty of the religion.

"If what you aver is true, well, there is a lot of hope for the world, surrounded as we are ......."

I see you have (among many other people around the world) started to use the term Jihad quite loosely. So, here is the thing about Jihad. Suppose a person comes to your little brother, lets say 2 years old you are 6. The person around 5ish. Comes and blows him a punch knocking out 2 of his teeth. What will you do ? Jihad is going to help your brother. Now lets examine where valid Jihad is going on around the world.

Palestine -> Israel killing people who want to live in their homes

Afghanistan -> US putting economic sanctions crippling their economy forcing them to cultivate a crop (poppy) which grows best in their soil, even though it is not allowed in Islam. And invading afghanistan after doing the whole "9/11" act (proof fer u http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up) to protect their capitalistic interest (Colin Powell and his ex-company, which makes a good story for another time)

Iraq -> Yeah we are still waiting for the WMDs, and after the war completely under fall pretense the humiliation people had to face after being wrongfully ..... (although many people will agree Saddam was not the best of the head of state)

"The problem with jihad thus far, in modern times, has been that it has been riding piggyback for too long on Western support"

Definitely I can clearly see the west loving the Jihadists and supporting them with all their hearts.

"You don't have the ideology, the scientific temper, or the civilisational wherewithal that can make you stand alone and progress even in your evil jihadi designs."

Well our 'evil' Jihadi designs seem to be working very well even if you dont think that they are not 'supposed' to be working well. As you may have noticed in the recent Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

"What is happening now, is simply that instead of taking your word for what is right and wrong out there, the world is taking a hard look at the phenomenon of jihad and its advocates!"

And maybe thats why the conversion rates to Islam - specially after the 9/11, have incrased tenfolds ! and that too mainly in the west ! Since people are waking up from their slumber and genuinely trying to find the true light.

"The Brahmins of India will survive, they don't need anybody's help in a free world! And we are so proud of our ancient Aryan-Sanskrit-Vedic heritage, which is wholly indigenous to the Indian soil, and did not exist anywhere else in the world in its true glory, Black, White, Grey or Brown! But what about you? To answer your specific allegations about Hinduism, you think it is a set of fables, why, that makes it very unique, simple, free, open to interpretation and beautiful. Infinitely superior to the rigidly vicious doctrines preached by the Koran"

Firstly I doubt you have ever even read the Quran. Secondly you see religion is not supposed to be stories and fables as you think it should be and definitely not open to interpretation, rather it should be firm and clear in its message (as the Quran is). Religion is not a story book you carry around in your pocket and read to yourself as a bedtime story, it is supposed to be a way of life a definitive answer for the reason of existance and our place in the universe. By the way I dont see the point in calling a religion (a heritage which its all that remains of it) "wholly indigenous to the Indian soil", its like labelling it made in India - in a sense reflecting exactly what I was talking about, a society split up on castes, thinking someone other is farther away from god or some other bizarre idea like that.

"As for the Brahmins, yes, all the world loves to hate them, because they served so well to preserve genuinely open and exalted Vedic-Aryan philosophy that is at the core of Hinduism against both the jihadis and missionaries-evangelists! 'Finish the Brahmins first, and you have finished Hinduism', is the current hate-filled logic of those who peddle the anti-Brahmin disinformation with such vested interest. But the Brahmins are a lovely, erudite, sophisticated, intelligent and harmless group of people, and they can never be isolated in India!"

I have yet to meet a person here who knows what a Brahmin is.... so what are you talking about hate mongering ?

"The Islamists, on the other hand, have gone all out on the rotten limb that bears them aloft, and the total crash is coming sooner than you know! The disinformation against Brahmins is wearing thin now, based on pure fiction and fantasy as it is! It was the Brahmin reformists -- right, left and centre -- who have transformed Hinduism in keeping with a changing world, and it is fast emerging from the horrible influence of Islamic jihad for nearly 1000 years! You can't permanently fight the light of truth with calumny and slander, you know?"

Ok, I dont see from where the light comes,as you have just accepted a couple of paragraphs back that Hinduism is based on fables ! . Is it the philosophy that is it the story of "Beauty and the Beast" that is shedding light that we 'Jihadists' were trying to keep away from the world for the last 1000 years ?!! damn the secret is out !! - btw - Your light of truth teaches burning of widows at the pyre of their deceased husband ? (Face it Sati is still followed http://www.hinduonnet.com/2004/02/01/stories/2004020101110700.htm)

"Hindus, Brahmins or Indians are not really bound to reply for every dastardly inhuman act in their midst in a fairly desperate world facing the barbarity of Islamism in its midst! Every society has its traditional injustices and worse! We are being patient here, accomodative, even appearing to bend over backwards at times in the international forums, in the face of utter ignorance coming from people who have never cared to inform themselves about the world! This situation will not last very long. You will get your reply, Tez Dhar, from the ground level!"

I am pretty sure that will happen but you may never get your reply as the religion "Hindu" doesnt formally exist. At least Muslims have themselves to call to an Almighty.

"...conditioned, xenophobic and subversive jihadi tirades!"

Yup, we own all the TV stations and are tranmitting subliminal messages with all our broadcasts.

"Just as well that the Muslims in Gujarat and Malegaon itself are leading the protests against Pakistan, a clamour that will grow in future. It is my prediction that Indian Muslims will begin lynching the anti-Indian jihadis in their midst one by one. Watch this space."

I need proof for this section. As I see no sense in protesting against it at least at this moment in time when the political clouds between the 2 countries have cleared to an extent.

".....of your divisive, hate-filled ways in the name of jihad. Not gonna continue for too long, this much I can promise you. Wake up!"

Actually, its time for you guys to wake up and start taking things seriously and diplomatically else there IS no future whether east or west.

PS: Some sites that may interest you- http://www.hinduonnet.com/2004/02/01/stories/2004020101110700.htm

I recommend you see above the haze of the biases and preconceived notions against Islam and face the reality that Life is just not roses and songs and birds singing, you have to fight for the right to exist, to survive, to breath free air on your own land without the threat of tanks.... you have to fight..... at least if you are a Muslim.


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