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Islam and its origins

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Aug 5, 2014 at 17:30

Motke wrote

Hi, Dhimmi.

Hi Motke

What do you mean by "Islam was really created not in al-Hijaz but in Mesopotamia" ?

It means that the opaque revelation called the Qur'an is the product of the great and very old civilizations of the Levant and Mesopotamia and it has nothing to do with al-Hijaz. And more likely that not the Qur'an was a Syriac texts/texts that belonged to more likely than not communities that lived not in al-Hijaz but in Mesopotamia

The chances are the invading Arabs or the Arab polity that invaded the civilized Middle East in 633CE were not Muslim as Islam did not exist this early but they came across a new religion that was being formed through debates and polemics in a Judeo-Christian milieu and for reasons that we still do not understand the Arab polity opted for this new religion and the rest is history (see Wansbrough Sectarian Milieu)

Did you ever ask yourself why would be the first attested character in Islam Mu3awiyya established his capital not in Mecca but in Damascus and why would he have a Syriac name as Mu3awiyya means he who howls and in Arabic it would be al-3awee so why would he have a Syriac name unless he had nothing to do with al-Hijaz and must have been one of the Arabs that lived in the Syrian desert and Mesopotamia. And why would Abd al-Malik build the first Islamic monument Qubat al-Sakhara and el-Masjid el-Aqsa not in Mecca but in Aelia/Jerusalem unless Mecca was an after thought

Did Muhammad exit? well it really does not matter if he existed or no after all followers of a religion must look back to find a founder after the fact after all how can Muslims explain the fact that for 72 years after the death of Muhammad Muslim sources are silent about the founder of Islam

As for his Sira or biography? there is nothing historical about it and it is for sure no more than Salvation History or pious fiction

And even if he existed we do not know very much about him because there are NO extant sources that come from al-Hijaz that can shed light about the life of this Muhammad and all we have is literary sources that were written 3 centuries after his death and not by Arabs but by non Arabs

I do believe that this is indeed what happened

Now Ali Dashi estimated that 70% of the early books of Islam and the most revered Islamic sources were not written in al-Hijaz by Arabs but these commentaries were written by Persians the likes of what I call the St. Pauls of Islam al-Tabari, Ibn Ishaq and al-Shaf3ee

Without al-Tabari we would not have a clue about what the Qur'an really says. And he was Persian and he lived in Mesopotamia. Ibn Ishaq the biographer of Muhammad was Syriac speaker and his grandfather was Christian and he lived in Mesopotamia and al-Shaf'3ee who was the one who established what Islamic law was all about came from either Syria or Gaza closer to Mesopotamia than to al-Hijaz

Sibawayhe the father of Arabic grammar was either from Mesopotamia or he was an Afghani who lived in Mesopotamia. Can you imagine if let us say the one who examined Hebrew grammar was a let us say an Indian who lived in India and and not a Jew who lived in Palestine or Mesopotamia?

You see religions do not spring fully fledged from the heads of prophets so even if Muhammad existed and if he is to come back to earth he would not recognize Islam

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