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Sufi Islam is not real islam, Response to Shazia

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Submitted by Nazir (United States), Sep 21, 2005 at 13:52

Shazia: You are trying to deny all sahih hadiths and chronicles of the very first sira writer Ishaq whose grandfather was alive in prophet's days, chronicles of imam Tabari whose tafsir of quran details every aya with events he cronicles in his history, and gives the chronology and context to quran which lacks it. The isnads they used were same used later by others.

The defensive ayas of Baqra sura and all other other concilliatory meccan ayas were from the time when Mohammed was weak and were abrogated by later Madina ayas (8,9,47 etc) .

To start with, all hadiths and siras which show Mohammed as a killer, rapist, robber and terrorist were written by very pious believers. That means they are already biased in favour of Mohammed. In reality he must be even worse than what these believers describe him to be.

Mohammed made pillaging looting and killing of non muslims (surahs 8 and 9) and raping their women (Quran 4.3,23.6,33.50,70.30) pious and worthy of paradise. His followers did all that and terrorized the world with jihad quoting quran and sunna and annexed Spain to India.Muslim jihadists killed 100 million hindus during their terror reign using quran as sunna . Are you denying that too.

You quoted shia hadiths. No Shazia, even shias also believe that Mohammed was very brutal man.
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Here is Imam Khomeini's speech of 1981:
(faithfreedom.org)

Khomeini's speech on the day of celebration of the birth of Muhammad: 1981
سخنرانی آقاThe real Day of God is the day that Amir al mo'menin (1) drew his sword and slaughtered all the khavarej (2) and killed them from the first to the last.

The Days of God are when Allah, the gracious, the almighty, causes an earthquake.

It is when He slaps on the face.
It is when he causes a hurricane.
دHe whips this people to become humans.

If the Amir al mo'menin (1) wanted to be tolerant, he would not have drawn his sword killing 700 people in one go امير

In our prisons we have more of the same kind of people who are corrupt.

If we do not kill them, each one of them that gets out, will become a murderer! اگر ما اينها را نكشيم ، هر يكی شان

They don't become humans.

Why do you Mullahs only go after the ordinances of prayer and fasting?

Why do you only read the Quranic verses of mercy and do not read the verses of killing? چرا هی

Quran says; kill, imprison! قرآن ميگويد بكشيد ، حبس كنيد

Why are you only clinging to the part that talks about mercy?

Mercy is against God.

Mehrab (3) means the place of war, the place of fighting. محراب يعنی مكان حرب ، يعنی مكان جنگ

Out of the mehrabs, wars should proceed, از محرابها بايد ، جنگ پيدا شود

Just as all the wars of Islam used to proceeded out of the mehrabs. چنانكه بيشتر جنگهای اسلام از محرابها پيدا ميش
The prophet has [had] sword to kill people.. پيغمبر شمشير دارد تا آدم بكشد

Our [Holy] Imams were quite military men. ائمه ما همگی چندی ، نظامی بودند
All of them were warriors. همگی جنگی بودند
They used to wield swords; they used to kill people.

We need a Khalifa who would chop hands, cut throat, stone people

In the same way that the messenger of God used to chop hands, cut throats, and stone people.

In the same way that he massacred the Jews of Bani Qurayza (4) because they were a bunch of discontent people. همانطور كه يهود بنی قريظه را ، چون جماعتی ناراضی ! ... بودند قتل عام كرد

If the Prophet used to order to burn a house or exterminate a tribe that was justice.

The lives of people must be secured through punishment.

Because, the protection of the masses lies beneath these very punitive executions. زيرا حمايت تود

With just a few years of imprisonment things don't get fixed. با چند سال زندان كار درست نميشود

You must put aside these childish sentimentalism.

We believe that the accused essentially does not have to be tried. He or she must just be killed.

Only their identity is to be established and then they should be killed.
Shazia please read another Shia scholar's book "23 years of Prophethood" by Ali Dashti.
He also refers to the same brutality and terror practised by Mohammed like Khomeini.

Shazia I have nothing against sufis. They preach peace and understanding. World would be a better place if all muslims believed what you and sufis believe. But that is not real islam. As long as real islam will be there with quran and hadiths and siras , Bin Ladens and Zarqawis will be there to terrorize the world like Mohammed and his followers did after him and are still doing it in his name and quran.
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