1 readers online now  |  69 million page views

The few, the chosen, the J2

Reader comment on item: Musing on History
in response to reader comment: DNA

Submitted by Michael S (United States), Apr 8, 2016 at 06:19

Hi, Anon

YDNA haplogroup (Hg) J1 split off from J around 10,000 years ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Y-chromosome_DNA_haplogroup

Hg J2, which includes what was presumed to be Aaron's YDNA, split off from J 5,000 years earlier, around 15,000 BP (before present). Since he is said to have lived

Luke 3 and other Bible chronologies indicate that Aaron was only some 26 generations after Adam, around 2,600 years. Considering how long it took J1 and J2 to "evolve", it therefore seems likely that Adam was J2, as well as Aaron. If 100-year generations seem strange, it's because the patriarchs apparently lead healthy lives as well as long ones. By the time of Abraham, it was considered miraculous that a man would have children when he was 100 years old; but not too many generations before him, this -- and even longer times -- was the norm.

One friend suggested that perhaps those people lived as long as they did, because they didn't think about having sex until they were 70. A better reason is perhaps that inbreeding was common (Check out Abraham, who married his half sister), biodiversity was decreasing (through genetic bottlenecks such as the great flood), and communicable diseases such as syphilis and the flu were being communicated more because people were increasingly living in cities.

Whatever the reason, Adam was probably J2 like you. That could mean you are a direct male-line descendant of Adam, or a descendant of other J2 tribes that survived the time of the flood. My own patrilineal line of descent came from Proto-Indo-European inhabitants of approximately the Ukraine and during Adam's time, They were of Hg R1b1b2, which also arose around 10,000 years ago from Haplogroup R1b.

In order to come to these conclusions, I am relying on the Bible for the age of Adam (whom Science knows nothing about); and I am relying on the latest scientific research for the age of the haplogroups. This is a methodology which would have been approved by the great Rabbi Maimomides.

Once a person becomes acquainted with some of the terms I've used here, what you, I and Mohammed Waza Khiddif if'Ullah appear to agree upon, isn't very difficult to understand.

Good to hear from you, Anon. It seems I've seen that name before (ha ha).

Shalom shalom :-)

Submitting....

Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".

Comment on this item

Mark my comment as a response to The few, the chosen, the J2 by Michael S

Email me if someone replies to my comment

Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".

See recent outstanding comments.

Follow Daniel Pipes

Facebook   Twitter   RSS   Join Mailing List
eXTReMe Tracker

All materials by Daniel Pipes on this site: © 1968-2020 Daniel Pipes. daniel.pipes@gmail.com and @DanielPipes

Support Daniel Pipes' work with a tax-deductible donation to the Middle East Forum.Daniel J. Pipes

(The MEF is a publicly supported, nonprofit organization under section 501(c)3 of the Internal Revenue Code.

Contributions are tax deductible to the full extent allowed by law. Tax-ID 23-774-9796, approved Apr. 27, 1998.

For more information, view our IRS letter of determination.)