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19 d is stretching it - I'll accept 11.

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Submitted by Mohammed Waza Khiddif id'Ullah (Australia), Jan 11, 2016 at 01:42

".Hopeless, Moh :( Anyhow, thanks for posting. You gave it a fair go. "

What was hopeless? My ability at conveying points? Or the points I was trying to convey did not mesh up with what you thought I was saying?

"Tell me, do you take the Bible at all seriously? "
It's a book which amongst other things, uses allegories to point to a basic truth - the Ground of Being.
It is not an end in itself but points us to a deeper reality - which is inside ourselves. You cannot experience it anywhere else. And the point is not to wait till you are dead to find it.

"....As far as Daniel's blog is concerned, I believe it has value because the events of today seem to correlate with a timeline given in the Book of Revelation."

This site and a few others is a valuable source of information about the effects of the insidious cult of islam. It probably deals with it in a more abstract way in some sense - with a view to looking at where the trends seem to be heading.

"... I've discussed these matters online here with M. Tovey, presumably a fellow "believer" with me;...................... Other than that core belief, however, we seem to agree on little -- including on the timeline that I think is so valuable."
I guess the more "certain" in one's beliefs the fewer one is going to find people who agree with you.
I believe that I was born, that I'm alive and I'll leave at some unknown time.

"....Are you willing to go a round with me on the timeline? "

Sure, I don't fight dirty but I hit hard.

"1. They speak of events in the 20th and 21st Centuries; so it was impossible to properly understand them before that time."
I can agree with that.

"2. The message was conveyed to John in about 95 AD; so some 20th Century phenomena, such as gunpowder, hydrogen bombs, air and water pollution, etc. had to be expressed in ideographical form, and..."

Yes

"3. John was "in the spirit" when he saw these things -- i.e., in a different sort of place from the visible world. It's a very real world, but invisible to us in this world; and the "laws of physics", as we understand them here, do not apply there. You seem to be relatively facile in making the transform."

Yes - another 'realm' for want of a better world - which people who've glimpsed it say is 'more real than real' - hyper real if you like.

"First of all, notice where John is: He's not on this present earth, nor in this present universe ("heaven" + "earth", taken together, means "universe"). This "New Jerusalem", then, does not come out of the sky (literally, the "heaven") that we know of: It comes out of the NEW sky, in the NEW universe: The laws of physics do not apply there, our current time/space does not apply there, etc. Nevertheless, everything about is "real" to John because, being as he is, in the spirit, things that are invisible to us here are visible to him; and things which are real and pertinent to us here are "passed away" in the world he is in."

This is what I was getting at a few months back when I wrote about consciousness being able to step out of 'time' and the 3d world. Past, present and future are seen as from a different perspective. I suggested that the 'future' had already somehow 'happened' - as improbable as that seems to us in normal consciousness. So a person (or other entity) in that 'realm' can see all 3 simultaneously - much like being able to look at any scene on a roll of film. Or being able to go to any track/sector on a hard disk.

"...Read that, and tell me if you don't see some sort of "time warp" happening here."
In what sense?

" Who are these "gentiles", these "nations" in this new world, who are somehow in need of "healing"?

Well, when you think about it - it is anyone who is not prepared to leave the planet at any time. That's most folk.

"...My understanding, is that the gentiles referred to are gentiles ON EARTH, this earth, terra firma, in our present universe; "
'Aliens' don't figure in the equation. Human 'souls' are the focus?

"...and that somehow those leaves on that tree in the new universe can be accessed by us here."

"The Matrix"; though that's a very imperfect analogy. Still, it's close enough to convey the idea of connection between our present "reality" and the more "real" reality that John was experiencing."
I've only seen bits of it - but it is a good analogy. What we think of as real is not real at all. People swap the reality of their own selves for an illusion. Like Kevin Spacy says to his on-screen wife in that classic 'American Beauty' - "This isn't life, it's just stuff. And it's become more important to you than living. Well, honey, that's just nuts. "

"Have you got your 19-D goggles on? Are you ready to roll with me on this one? Or are you convinced that I'm lost somewhere behind Hale Bopp?"

If you accept that what we see with our limited senses is not all there is - then you have to be open to an awesome reality. Of course non of this is empirically provable , some would think it's utter nonsense but it's too late when they take their last breath to find out it wasn't.

Submitting....

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