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Submitted by Mohammed Waza Khiddif id'Ullah (Australia), Mar 9, 2016 at 21:43

"...They were hunter-gatherer types, present in small numbers. The R1b types in those days were in Turkey and Russia. The Turkish branch were cattle-herders. Those were the ancestors of most modern Brits..."
I thought it was the Scythians, from where present day Ukraine is?

I couldn't find Hg I: on the map. I found H. And I see R1b is way over in the Steppes then (Scythia.)
So what happened to Mesolithic West Europeans ? The Celts came from the East as I recall.

The Turks of today are descendants of central Asian nomads - mixed with Kurds, Greeks etc Mongol mongrels- in short.

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I've just finished perusing Australia's recent Defence White Paper. They essentially consider their closest friends to be NZ, Japan and the US, and are wary of Chinese expansion and Middle East-generated terrorism. They also have something of a "mother hen" attitude toward the Pacific Islands. "
That's pretty much right - but there are strong ties to the EU/UK - seeing that were 80% European However, we re-learnt not to trust the British in WW2.

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"....I've got to go over those prophecies from Revelation. Your comments make me imagine you as a "survivalist" of sorts. ..."

Not really a 'survivalist' per se - more of a survivor! I live in the city but have 50 hectares to go to if things go very badly. I like living in rural areas anyway. I think there is most likely going to be large swathes of the human population having shorter lies than the anticipated having. There's nothing wrong with appreciating life but being prepared. Better safe than sorry. I have no idea on the specifics of my own or our global future. What I thought would have happened by now - have not happened. The EU was a given - as is China's current military expansion. Other things unforeseen have - muslim world domination goal/rise of terrorism, rapid advances in every area of science. Although it has always been on the cards that the Middle East would be a major theatre of WW3. You can see that trajectory after the 1967 Israeli war.

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"...That's a wasted effort, besides being awfully expensive. "

Making a cellar/dugout? Not really expensive - an hour with a backhoe, some formwork and a few cubic metres of concrete. Form me it's necessary anyway - summer heat can get into the high 40's - & you need a place to store things in the cool and things you don't want others to have access to.

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"....We're looking at laying out a few thousand dollars, just to have flooring put in a few rooms. "
A cheap way is plywood sheet covered by that cheap hardwood clip-together panels you can get from Ikea etc.
".....Building a bomb shelter would be considerably more costly...... "
You'd be very unlucky to have a bomb go off anywhere near you. The US is a big country - there aren't enough Russian/Chinese bombs to go around to destroy every town in middle America. No need to build a bomb shelter but a really good cellar allows you lots of options. Where they should have cellars is along that tornado strip that there is in the USA. They should be mandatory. Otherwise we'll continue to see whole towns flattened and people walking around afterwards saying how it was a miracle they escaped. The real miracle would be if they used their common sense and built storm cellars under every house.

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"...Turkey and Iran will somehow find themselves allies, attacking Israel..."
Hard to see at the moment - nothing muslims hate more than the wrong type of moslims. Their hatred for each other at times even surpasses their hatred of all things Israeli. Nothing worse for them than those who knew the 'truth' about islam but have forsaken it and twisted it into something that they don't want it twisted into. I saw that at work one time - a colleague, a sunni Afghan Russian trained doctor - who was otherwise quite reasonable - really had a thing about Iran/shias.

Quite surprising at the time - and this was before I realised there was major conflict between the 2 parties who believed in different versions of the same lie.

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