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Submitted by Mohammed Waza Khiddif id'Ullah (Australia), Mar 16, 2016 at 02:32

Wow - that is a lot to take in.

I'm a little lost on the timelines
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" Seven of the 42 specimens were found to be members of haplogroup N1a."
Which means on 1/6th of that grup were of that haplogroup. The others were more numerous - what was their group?
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So the Celts were relatively recent arrivals in Ireland. This link adds inn more complexity to the mix:
http://www.sott.net/article/263587-DNA-shows-Irish-people-have-more-complex-origins-than-previously-thought.

and this indicates a far earlier arrival:
"Prehistoric Ireland spans a period from the first known settlement around 8000 BCE until the emergence of "protohistoric" Gaelic Ireland at the time of Christianization in the 5th century. Christianity subsumed or replaced the earlier polytheism and other forms of Celtic Christianity by the end of the 7th century." - i.e. 10 thousand years ago

and a similar time frame for Estonia: "...The history of Estonia is a part of the history of Europe. Estonia was settled near the end of the last glacial era, beginning from around 8500 BC...."

So this is a lot earlier than the 31800-2800 adventures of the pre-Celts , pre-Germans etc "..."According to Anthony, between 3100-2800/2600 BCE, a real folk migration of Proto-Indo-European (IE) speakers from the Yamna-culture took place into the Danube Valley. These migrations probably split off Pre-Italic, Pre-Celtic and Pre-Germanic from Proto-Indo-European"

Fascinating stuff.

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I have to disagree with you on the timing of the Flood. My contention is that it really was a folk legend based on the actual flooding of the Black Sea basin via a collapse of the wall that held back the waters of the Mediterranean Sea. That can be dated to 6400BC. The discovery of freshwater shellfish remains underlying saltwater shellfish as well traces of a former shoreline make this the most likely the source of the Flood story.

https://www.csu.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/231158/Cahill-Flood-poster.pdf

That is a LOT earlier than 2350BC.

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"...That may refer to the Indo-European invaders, who are associated with horses -- from the Central Asian → Chinese → Vietnamese "mã" to the English "mare";"

Could be - but it's also possible the few words are entirely unrelated. The Latin word for sea is 'mare' too - nothing to do with horses and the Gauls and Celts used horses more so than the Irish did.
Wikipedia puts a different twist on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mare_%28folklore%29

And in the Finno-Ugric languages Finnish and Hungarian - there is only 1 word that is spelt the same but apparently means the opposite thing in each language.

BTW Chinese and Vietnamese are not really related languages - though there's many loan words that have crept across. 'Ma' might be one of them.

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Re present day matters - it's interesting to see how badly Merkel has miscalculated German sentiment on the invasion of their country by hordes of uneducated moslem interlopers looking for a free ride. The swing against her is very pronounced in the former GDR - where she hails from of course.
She should have known this would be happening if she'd had any insight into how the people there think. It's interesting and perfectly understandable that those countries most affected by another malignant 'ism' are the most staunch and vociferous in their fight against what is pretty much an invasion. Russians also have no great love ( to put it mildly) of this moslem territorial expansion.
This promises to be a very eventful year.

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