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Submitted by Mohammed Waza Khiddif Id'ullah (Australia), Oct 23, 2015 at 05:37

"..we eventually lose them completely, along with all other brain function, before and at the time of death. .."

Some people report having NDE's and being immersed in memories of their lives. I can't see why having memories would be a bad thing - as long as you were not flooded by them and mistook them for the sum total of one's being. But let's face it, 'science cultists' don't have a f%$ck@ng' clue really. 100 years or so after the invention of the motor vehicle and we think we know everything - or are on the verge of knowing everything. But what does 'knowing everything' even mean now? Retrieving hypotheses from Google? Clearly , those who make the loudest noises about quasi-omniscience can never point to an individual who has entered that rarefied state. It can never be an individual. So all the 'knowledge' is just regurgitated observations and deductions of past events.

"..Accordingly, dying and rising again from the dead should be something like swapping hard drives on a computer..."

I've had several discussions with my technophile son about the limits of using the computer analogy when applying it to human consciousness. I get the point you make - the slate wiped clean and somehow you're not a blithering idiot after having had all your memory wiped and not being able to recognise or form concepts about anything put in front of you. But I guess that has its advantages - 4 month old kids are qute happy and giggling at life.

"that the risen Jesus, speaking to John in the spirit in the opening chapters of Revelation, seemed to not only know present and past details of the "seven churches", but also foreknowledge of things to come and an overall knowledge of human history. "

Well if it's true then this suggests that there is the possibility of merging one's awareness into something that has a component of it that is completely out of time. It also means the future has somehow already happened. Which begs the question - if the outcome is already known , why do we have to live through it?

"..This sort of "knowledge" and "memory" could not have come from a human brain and human experience. .."

Only through direct experience of the energy of those other 'dimensions' for want of a better word.

"It could only come from the "word of God" which was elsewhere credited with being the origin and sustenance of the universe."

So not a book, but the energy which permeates and sustains creation.

"In computereze, again, our brains appear to be "apps", for our spirits to interface with this present universe:.."

Apps , motherboards or the bios in the firmware chip? There is no nice analogy really. A kg or two of fatty acids and water which apprehends the universe. Wetware.

"..I wish there were some way I could contact you."

You are doing so.

"This whole discussion is only peripheral to "Musing on History" and on events touching on Israel today."

True but it's a cosy place to hang out

".The big connection, is the fact that the whole conflict in the Middle East is not based on any physical or territorial issues: It is based on opposing world-views based on faith, "

For muslims it's power more than faith.

"..including the Mohammedan, Jewish and Western worldviews based on Qur'an, Torah and atheism, respectively."

Western worldview is post-Christian scientific rationalism. If science was the observation of truth it wouldn't be such a bad thing. But clever fools think that they are able to use 'science' as an excuse to continue in or rationalise bad behaviour. It's not all bad - you have to say that the 'West' is now very diverse and very interesting. It's an mazing life we have - and as the sayng goes 'I wouldn't be dead for quids'.

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