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A walk down the Garden path

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Submitted by Mohammed Waza Khiddif id'Ullah (Australia), Jan 26, 2016 at 04:33

"...... There were many similar sites from around the same time as Göbekli Tepe, some of the more notable ones being near Jericho, Israel and Amman, Jordan."
But none so well preserved, so mysteriously covered up and with similar hieroglyphs.

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"...One thing we know for sure about Adam, is that he had yDNA similar to Y-chromosomal haplogroup J1c3 (also called J-P58); because Aaron, not many generations after Adam, is presumed to have had this DNA. It is said to have originated in "2000-22,000" BC, giving us quite a range to work with; but corresponding well with the Biblical date for Adam."

2000 to 20,000 is quite a range. Why can't it be more precise? Current estimates are that there were around 30 million people worldwide in 2000BC, the middle bronze age.

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"....The Garden of Eden, then, had some sort of physical existence -- possibly in Eastern Turkey (quite a bit north of Göbekli Tepe), near the sources of the Tigris and Euphrates;"

Sounds very plausible.

"....but the exact geography is hard to decipher and seems to include also the source of the Nile. "

Obviously it can't be both. But the source of the Nile is closer to the purported region in which Homo sapiens originated from, a lot longer ago though. As for European prehistory , it's a lot more complex than first thought Homo . We have up to 4% neanderthal DNA, contributed to our gene pool from between 70,000 to 39,000 years ago. Middle eastern genetics also contains a Neanderthal component.. So was Adam 100% Homo sapiens or a sapiens/neanderthal mix?

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"....According to the scriptures, Adam and Eve were driven out of the place, and it was later devastated by the great flood."

For that event I go with the flooding of the Iron Age settlements in the Black Sea basin by inundation from the Mediterranean.

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".....When talking about the "portal", I am referring to the fact that Adam acutally lived in two places simultaneously: In his physical being, he lived in "Eden", wherever that was; but in his spirit, he was in a place similar or identical to the place described by John in Revelation. Concerning the "chruvim" or "cherubim",

He was fully conscious of and lived in the heaven within - a state of enlightenment.

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"....I suppose you might be curious about people of other stocks -- including NW Europeans who largely have the R1b haplogroup, "
These differences in genes certainly seem to play a big part in behaviour.

" Adam must therefore be taken as our allegorical "father": It is not his DNA that we have inherited, but the tradition of his spiritual encounter in the "portal"."
OK. You have an interesting take on this subject. A lot more evolved than a JW or similar.

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,"..... Abraham internalized the relationship Adam had had at first with God, a relationship that can come only, the Bible tells us, through faith. Descendants of Abraham, such as Ezekiel and John, have then passed on an understanding of the spiritual "garden" -- but not second-hand; because they believed Torah and the gospel, they witnessed those things first-hand...."

Again, the 'Garden' is the inner Kingdom. It can be experienced directly by those pure of heart. All traditions point to this. With one notable exception which fanatically seems to be working towards its own ideas of a very worldly kingdom in which everyone submits to it delusions.

Submitting....

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