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in response to reader comment: What a disaster and the word asfara is not a loan word from Nabataen as al-Tabari claims and more foreign in the Qur'an

Submitted by Amin Riaz (United Kingdom), Mar 18, 2012 at 00:04

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

"What a disaster you see our dear Amin who lives among kuffar we kuffar do not BS like you tablighees right? and this is why when i checked a paper copy in our library I made it clear to the readers that the word is Nabatiyya and not Qibtiyya and here is the evidence"

And if you were that clear... why did u make the mistake?

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"Even if al-Tabari claims that the word sifr is a loan word from al-lugha al-nabatiyya he is still wrong because the people of the Nabataen kingdom spoke a hybrid of Arabic and Syriac but used Syriac when writing their documents which means that the word book would have been kitab or the Syriac spar in the spoken language and spar or sifr in documents"

Back tracking - and without evidence. Nabatean predates Syriac and Arabic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabataean_language

It too - is from Aramaic. So is Arabic. Arabic still share many common roots with fellow Semitic languages.

S L M - is one. It is found in virtually all Semitic languages.

If Tabari traced this word to - Nabatean - why is it wrong. Where is your evidence? How are you backing this up?

"The Nabatean language was an offshoot of imperial Aramaic language. With increasing immigration of nomadic Arab tribes, the Nabatean language became increasingly influenced by Arabic. From the Islamic era, the Arabic influence became overwhelming, in a way that it may be said the Nabataean language shifted seamlessly from Aramaic to Arabic." Wiki

Names academics and the word done? - Come one EVIDENCE? Else its your fabrications. Another one to a growing list.

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"So much for the claim that the Qur'an is a book written in Arabic only"

What else is it written in? All languages take and borrow from each other. Semitic languages are very close knit.

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Oh let me guess you had no clue what is the word al-Nabatiyya right?

Huh? Wow! Yet it was me who set you straight.... dear me - your accusations get wilder and wilder.

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"So is bism an acronym our dear Amin? or was it just a lie and in this case the liars are al-Tabari and jesus and Mohammad? you tell us! and how come the Arabs spell the word the correct way as b'ism and not the incorrect Quranic bism you tell us"

No one said it was an acronym - and no matter how many times you reapeat this bogus accusation. You COULD NOT TRANSLATE ARABIC - that will never go away.

All Tabari did was evaluate a Hadith - report - and rejected it. That was pretty clear from whatever you pasted of Tabari.

So why are you repeating this again? Have you got anything new to add? If my translation was wrong or something... what are you adding?

We have been over this - and as it turned out - you fabricated what Tabari said. Based on the fact you could not read Arabic.

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"But you know what? the word sfar is not an Arabic word and it is not a Nanatean word either which means that al-Tabari was making things up and do you know why? because the documents of the Nabatean kingdom were written in Syriac and the word spar is Arabized as sifr and the plural asfara"

How do you know it wasn't a nabatean word? Proof?

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Sifr was and is a rare word even near Syriac and Aramaic. Guess what the word book is called in Syriac? Ktaava?

And what is Aramaic word for Book?

Guess What? I will let you inform us of that?

Submitting....

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