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Submitted by Hindu4Life (United Kingdom), Aug 5, 2010 at 10:44

This is probably the 1000th copy of this online i have seen, yet they are all the same and have exactly the same flaw, NO FACT. Let it be said that the Book Kalki is an interpretation between a Hindu saying something and a Muslim thinking something, this almost instantly causes issues as a Muslim cannot verify Hindu facts, PERIOD.

But anyway below are my comments/points for the 10 points above.

Firstly i am as you have guest a Hindu, by way of Birth, Life and Belief. Secondly i have had the pleasure of reading the book by Pandit Benda Prakash Upadhai, the Gita, ive even read some of the Purana's. So what i am about to say is not Bollucks as some may want to point out, in their pointless attempt at trying to win a battle they have already lost.

What i am going to do is give a simple answer to all the 10 points above. Answer's that will no doubt make Muslims/supportors of this article unsettled, Hindu's happy and anyone else think.

1) In the Purana's it does not state that Kalki will be the last messenger as Kalki is the reincarnation of Vishnu, Vishnu is a god and therefore cannot be a messenger. If Muslims wish to believe that Muhammad is Kalki, then firstly you will need to accept reincarnation, then of course Ram, Krishna and all the gods we have and finally Idol worship.

2) The Birth location is misleading as An isle is an Island (like isle of man), Arab Region (Arabia) is a Peninsula. As a result this point is physically and geographically impossible. It is also worth noting that the Kalki Purana states that Kalki will be born in Sambhala, Hindu actually consider this as a part of the Himalaya's. The Himalaya's for those not aware is the Mountain range that sits between Indian and Tibet. Nothing Islamic there.

3) The names of Kalki's parents and that of Prophets Muhammad whilst in translation may appear similar, a servant of Vishnu cannot be a servant of Allah, unless one is willing to admit that Vishnu is Allah (which would destroy everything islam is based on). Needless to say no-one can dare claim that Allah came before Vishnu as Vishnu is reincarnated in Lord Krishna some 5238 years ago, and Vishnu's first incarnation dates back to some 4,320,000 years back, where as Allah (who Muslims say was never actually born) came to Muhammad some 1500 years ago (the start of Islam). Plus it is proven that Hinduism is the oldest religion is modern day existance.

4) With regards to staple food, whilst both Kalki and Muhammad may both have eaten Dates, there is no mention of Muhammad ever eating Olives.

5) This is totally wrong, firstly because the Vishnu Purana states that Kalki will be born to a eminent Brahmin family in Sambhala, Muhammad was not born in Sambhala he was born in Arabia and secondly Muhammad was not from a Brahmin family. Plus also what is to suggest that the Quraysh clan was anymore noble or eminent than others. Oh and also Hindu scriptures clearly state that the father of Kalki (Vishnubhagat), prayed to Vishnu at the start of the Satya-Yoga, and as gift was told he would be reincarnated as the father of 3 great Hindu Avatar's (Dasharatha - Lord Rama father, Vasudeva - Lord Krishna's father and finally Vishnubhagat - father of Kalki). So in order for Muslim's to claim that Kalki is Muhammad, they would need to accept Ram and Krishna, which they don't.

6) This goes back to point 1, the book Kalki Avatar states that God will teach Kalki, how can that be when the Purana's and Hindu scriptures clearly state that Kalki is the final incarnation of Lord Vishnu himself, God can't teach himself, for God already knows everything.

There appears to be a big gap between the concept of a prophet in Islam and a Avatar in Hinduism, you cannot impose an Islamic meaning on a Hindu title.

7) Firstly this is so misleading its untrue, Muhammad never travelled the whole world, there is fact to support that he never left Arabia, plus as Aishah, Muhammads wife according to "Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasulullah", clearly states that Muhammad never left the bed that night he was supposed to have travelled the seven skies.

Funnily enough this point/story is very similar to the story of Zoroaster's ascent into the seven heavens on a mythical beast called a "Gryphon".

8) This is also wrong, as again how can Vishnu help himself, plus the Kalki Avatar is defined as "Irresistable Might" and "Devine" as per the Purana. This means that Kalki does not need help, but instead provides it. Again Kalki is the reincarnation of Vishnu, so he cannot teach himself or give himself any power for he already knows everything and has the power.

9) This point firstly requires Hindus to use the same calendar as Muslims, something we do not. Plus i recently learnt that even to this day Muslim scholars are still uncertain as to when Muhammad was born. some sources state that Mawlid (Muhammad's birthday) was first celebrated almost 300 years after his passing. This it self removes almost all credibility on what Muhammad's actually Date of Birth is.

Plus for those not aware the 12 days that this point refers to is actually 12 days on top of the date range given in Purana's (14th April - 13th May) so actually Kalki will be born between the 26th of April and 25th of May. Muhammad was not born anywhere near this range.

10) This final point mentioned in the book Kalki Avatar is on a very basic level about faith in God, Kalki will use a Horse and Sword and as pointed out in the book for point 10, we now live in a world full of Guns and Nuclear Weapons. However since when was God ever subject to pain or hurt from the very things he creates.

One fundamental problem with this point is that Hindu's believe that God is what we call "Karta-Harta", He is the creator, sustainer and destroyer of everything and anything. So why would he be phased by someone with a 9mm Glock or RPG. It's like firing a bullet from a gun at superman and hoping it wont bounce off him.

The other final personal view on Kalki coming is yes he will, has he NO. Why? well mainly because the Kali-Yoga began on the 18th of July 3228 BCE (when Lord Krishan left earth for heaven). We are currently 2010 AC, so that about 5,238 years. Hindu scriptures and Purana's state that the Kali-Yoga will last 432,000 years. Boy have we got some waiting to do. Better get busy people.

Oh i forgot to mention that the Kalki Purana mentions that Kalki will come to usher out the Kali-Yuga and bring in the Satya-Yoga. So as a result he cannot come any sooner than 428,772. So as for Muhammad being the Kalki Avatar, frankly someone was smoking Weed or is seriously mentally ill.

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