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Submitted by Debanjan Banerjee (India), Jan 17, 2011 at 22:56

Hi Mr. Tovey,

"The world's history is littered with empires, regimes, kingdoms and nations that tried to go against the WORD of the LORD, and failed. The Pahlavi regime is a classic modern day example. Add to that the Ottoman's, the Khosroes of Iranian/Persian history, the Greeks, and let us not forget the Romans, just to name a few."

--- My Answer : Now Mr. Tovey I do not agree with your viewpoint that the Ottomans , the Safavids or for that matter the Greeks and the Romans were a faliure . Remember their ideas of how a govrnment should work has fashioned the minds of statesmen for centuries after the demises of these states. And you should remember that the staying power of these regimes were centureis old.Even the current Vatican government can be considered in many of its working an extension of the Roman empire. So I do not get what you say that the "empires, regimes, kingdoms and nations that tried to go against the WORD of the LORD, and failed." Can you kindly mention one state which accepted and practiced "the WORD of the LORD" and did well ? I remember Chromwell's Purtian regime in England was one such example which tried to practice "the WORD of the LORD" but I do not think any rational englishman now days considers Chromwell's regime to be worthy of following.

Now coming back to Israel , remember even the biblical Israel was not too successful either even though they followed God's word. They suffered humiliation against the Iraqis and the Iranians during the reign of Nebuchadnejar and then at the hands of Titus the Roman. There has been no historical state which tried to learn and practice the Israeli model of "ruling by the WORD of LORD". And do not believe for a second that the Israeli Jews who "were the Chosen people" are not extinct or assimilated. For that matter many prominent Israeli Jewish intellectuals like say Solmo Sand belives that the current crop of people who call themselves "Israelis" are descendants of a Russian tribe called "Khajar" that converted to Judaism later.

Many also believe that the Palestinian Muslims and Christians are the real Jews who were promised to be the "Chosen people of God". I would love to hear your views on that. But my question to you is why evangelicals like you turn a blind eye when the real Chosen people of God (i.e. Palestinian Muslim and Christians) are daily murdered by the so-called "Jews" i.e. Israeli Russian immigrants ?

"The former Soviet Union was secular, did NOT support Israel, and we all saw how that worked out for them."

My Answer : Historically inaccurate statement. Soviet Union was one of the first nations that accepted and established realtions with Israel. Stalin reconnized Israel as soon as it declared independence. Throughout the cold war USSR maintained relation with the Israelis. And what was the result ? Where is the USSR now days ? And also think about the Shah regime of Iran which also had good relations with Israel. Where are them now ?

History tells us that those regimes which make good realtions with Israel do not survive much longer and those nations who love Israel ends up in the dustbin and ashheaps of History. Can you kindly provide me with reasons why do that happen ?

Now consider the case of those regimes which oppose Israel like say Syria and Iran. The question is why these regimes are surviving till now ? Does that mean your Worldview is innacurate that "The world's history is littered with empires, regimes, kingdoms and nations that tried to go against the WORD of the LORD, and failed." Kindly explain please.

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