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Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Dec 15, 2010 at 02:06

Michel, seemingly upset he has lost his chance to explore the feelings of a muslim Turkish respondent, writes:

"..on a psychological dimension you guys belong in the same institution.......Dhimmi, you are a bonehead....You are a sad example and role model....Your rabies hurts the actual cause. Your rants and temper tantrums hinder any effort to get any healthy discussion going and have quite actually diminished the quality of the debate...."

Clearly the moral pedestal you've put yourself on hasn't made you incapabable of ad hominem attacks.

Don't worry - Havas is still reading

I think the bottom line here is sincerity. Dhimmi is passionate and sincere in his wish to point out to muslims the deceit they are subjected to. Often that entails bringing up a past that they find it extremely difficult to acknowledge. If you look through posts on this blog - it is a very, very rare thing for any muslim to admit of injustices in the past - even when faced with overwhelming evidence. Whereas non-Muslims posters freely acknowledge injustices committed by western powers over the centuries where they have occurred.
Perhaps this is due to the fact that muslims think their Koran and their religion , Mohammed etc is 'perfect' - therefore everything that stems from it is the 'will of allah' or some such other rationalisation.

If you take the time to read back through his previous posts it is quite apparent Dhimmi has lived for an extended period in a muslim majority country. And not just visited.

And to point out the obvious , his nom de plume 'dhimmi no more' indicates he has experienced something which those in the chardonnay sipping white shoe brigade cannot appreciate - actually living as a second class citizen amongst muslims. But would he advocate killing someone for 'blaspheming' his ideas? The difference between Dhimmi and the Taliban is as obvious chalk and cheese. I'm surprised you tried to make the comparison

It's all very well genteelly enquiring after the welfare of an individual muslim with 'hurt feelings' and be willing to listen to their perspective. After all it is people's minds that must be engaged in order for them to consider the possibility that perhaps they do not after all have the whole picture - and from there even possibly begin to admit they may have got the whole thing wrong.

But do you want to encourage muslims by giving them a sounding board for their more often than not self-inflicted grievances? Do you pretend you sincerely respect their beliefs - such as Al Burak, the splitting of the moon by Mo with his little finger and various other 'miracles' of Islam - completely leaving out the degenerate behaviour of their 'perfect' man.

Or do you merely respect their right to have those beliefs - with much the same detachment as a psychiatrist would respect the rights of a paranoid schizophrenic to have his/her hallucinations? Furthering that analogy - would the psychiatrist respect their right to trash his consulting rooms and totally disturb the office culture if the patient insisted that his hallucinations deserved respect?

The need to find a solution to the rise of islamism becomes more urgent daily. We can put aside long-passed injustices committed by muslims on non-muslims and indeed on other muslims and just focus on what is happening in our world - today - for people who are currently victims of islamic belief.
Such as this muslim woman -


or the recent failed attempt by the (educated) suicide bomber in Sweden - for he was indeed a victim of Islam. Or any one of dozens of events where muslim cultures clash with western values all over the globe. Videos and pictures, first hand accounts from victims who've survived can easily be supplied. These are real people , feeling real pain in our world because of the barbarism that their medieval cult engenders. I hope that we in the west do not become inurred to pictures and videos of beheadings, stonings etc etc but as it becomes more common - that is what will happen.

Pretending that human rights transgressions throughout dar al Islam will go away of their own accord is the height of stupidity. There is no place for soft talk and polite conversation with the perpetrators. There is a place to discuss and encourage the possibility of change for those who wish to change - but unfortunately - they are few and far between. Why should they - when what they have is already 'perfect'?

China is a basket case as well in its own way - human rights there are crushed routinely. I think if the west had enough guts and said ' play ball or we don't buy anything else from you ' - at first glance that might seem to be a way to achieve a result . Being addicted to regular flows of cash from the west - what happens if if tens of millions of workers with no social security suddenly are thrown out of work? The government is noted for its intransigence and hardnosed attitude to dissent but the result would be something they could not control. They know this and are afraid of it.


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