Maybe I should call myself Critias? Please , no !
Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Mar 18, 2007 at 17:18
You wrote :
> Ianus you quote Susan's post :
>>> " I am afraid we cannot change his mind. as a typical 3rd worlder he's keen on blaming the west for everything, we already exchanged posts in which the "terrible" situation of the native indians was relevant compared to the rampant islamization of the world."
>> I am so disappointed. The name "Plato" sounds so nice and friendly. But you have to attend Socrates' school to become a real Plato."
> Like I have this thing about Native Indians Susan has this thing about 3rd worlders!
I admit we could do without those things as they don't contribute to forming and consolidating one front against the threat of Islam which we desperately need. I am totally in favour of kaffir solidarity in the face of the common enemy. Divisions and quarrels don't serve our common cause .
> Like the native Indians, Socrates is even longer dead, murdered by the state for his teachings, his mind.
Actually Athens at that time was the most tolerant city in the world. But it was the Peloponnesian war that brutalised the manners of the Athenians and changed the emotional atmosphere in the city .
Socrates was given a chance to escape the death sentence by leaving the city. But he refused to follow the advice. Instead of fleeing he told his freinds a dream of Law personified as a young woman persuading him to obey the laws of his city-state to the bitter end. Plato , son of Ariston, describes this heart-breaking scene in "Crito".
> Read Susan's statement "I am afraid we cannot change his mind..."
She meant just you relativised the crimes of Moslems by taking up an argument used by the very Moslems to villify our civilization which they want to destroy and overtake. She meant no harm and no offence at all , if I understand the spirit of her message right.
> Neither his accusers nor the jurors could change Socrates mind.
He knew them all too well and in his daily wanderings and never-ending discussions on the market he made many an haughty citizen ridiculous. Both humans and horses don't like "gadflies".
> Susan is the accuser, juror and the judge in my case. She has been handing me cups of hemlock for quite some time now. I am refusing to commit suicide.
You are exaggerating , dear Plato. She is not so cruel. Besides , there are many common points between you and her. Some minor differences can't make you forget that you share much important common ground. She meant probably what Aristotle once said about another Plato and in Latin it sounds so : "Amicus Plato ,sed magis amica veritas".
> Socrates' school also graduated Critias, Plato's uncle. Perhaps I should have taken that name. He was not 'so nice and friendly'.
Does our small kaffiri Athens of today really need any tyrants ? The name "Plato" suits you best .
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