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To Moderate Muslim: Hiding the shame of Aisha's age and a Maulana abrogates 9:29

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Submitted by Plato (India), Mar 13, 2007 at 01:13

"...Such a person would need to possess the following qualities:

an excellent, precise memory to retain a vast amount of detail accurately,

the understanding to grasp the significance and the principles of the teachings,

powers of reasoning, criticism and deduction to resolve problems on the basis of those teachings,

the skills to convey knowledge to a wide range of audience,

and, finally, have the prospect of living for a considerable period of time after the death of the Holy Prophet in order to spread his message to distant generations.

That Aisha possessed all these qualities and carried out this mission is an absolutely positive and undeniable, historical fact. ..."

By your own reckoning Aisha would have possessed 'an excellent, precise memory to retain a vast amount of detail accurately '. So are you disputing what she said when we read in the most trusted of hadith compilers?

Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:

Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

So either you are questioning Bukhari's account of her age or you are disputing Aisha's recollection and admission of her age at the time of her 'nikah' and you claim she had 'an excellent, precise memory to retain a vast amount of detail accurately.'

Which is it?

You also are disputing Tabari, who is considered the greatest historian of all time my Muslims. Here is what Tabari wrote in "The Foundation of the Community", Vol VII, translation by M.V. Mcdonald, Page 6-7:

'In this year also the Messenger of God consummated his marriage with Aishah. This was in Dhu al-Qadah (May-June 632) eight months after his arrival in Medina according to some accounts, or in Shawwal (April-May 623) seven months after his arrival according to others. He had married her in Mecca three years before the Hijarah, after the death of Khadijah. At that time she was six or, according to other accounts, seven years old.'

"It is thus recognised, from the earliest times in Islam, that some two-thirds of Islamic Sharia is based on reports and interpretations that have come from Aisha.

In view of these exceptional qualities of Aisha and the towering role played by her in the transmission of the teachings of Islam, it is simply preposterous and outrageous to suggest that she was the victim of some form of child and marital abuse."

Moderate Muslim you are disputing Aisha's recollection and account of her own age and you are also saying two-thirds of Islamic Sharia is based on reports and interpretation that have come from Aisha. Well now it seems that it is time to question most of your Sharia, based as it is on Aisha's defective memory.

Is not this Maulana Muhammad Ali the same one who once headed the Ahmadiyya Anjuman in Lahore? People who consider themselves 'real' muslims consider Ahmadiyyas as heretics. I have a copy of his Koran translation. He has extensive comments and it is noticeable that he is an expert in toning down the harshness of the Koran by referring to context and unconnected verses (quite often suggesting the harsher verses should be read in conjunction with the milder ones to make them more palatable).

A fine example of this is his commentary on the sword verse 9:29. He tries to blame the Christians and Jews. He says "The Quran neither required the idolators to be compelled to accept Islam, nor was it in any way its object to bring the Christians into subjection. They on the other hand , had determined to compel the Muslims to give up Islam and to bring them under subjection. The fate of each was therefore acording to what it proposed to do to the Muslims'!!!

Here is his trick of practically abrogating this verse by referring to another verse: 'It may also be added that that the permission to fight, as given to Muslims, is subject to the condition that the enemy should first take up the sword, 2:190: Fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you.' This a big lie by the Maulana. Almost all the Prophet's gazwas were unprovoked, often surprise, attacks on caravans and neighbouring tribes.

Moderate Muslim, modern Muslims are striving mightily to add a few years to Aisha at the time of marriage. It is no better than calculating the speed of light from the verses of the Koran. But again I see it as a good beginning. Muslims are secretly ashamed of what their Prophet did. Otherwise they would not spend all that time and energy to add a few years to her age and still come up with an age at her marriage to the Prophet which could be that of his grandaughter. A nineteen year old marrying a fifty three year old. Wow! Such a heavenly match.

Moderate Muslim, this is what you say about the child bride Aisha:

Submitting....

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