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Submitted by Noah Wilk (United States), Feb 6, 2007 at 20:40

Michel, I'm afraid your post is 99% fluff and fails to address most of the points you have been challenged to detail and explain. Let's go point by point, shall we?

"I believe it to be a topic of extremely complex nature"

It's not as complex as you make it out. That right there is your problem. You're over-analyzing it, as most people tend to do. It's actualyl very simple. Islam is an extremely violent religion designed by a extremely violent tribal chieftan to appeal to an extremely violent tribal people in order to unite them under his control. You fall into their trap, as so many others do, of over-analyzing and complicating this. That plays into the hands of the Muslims. They're mandated to lie, they have multiple names, and they form hundreds of splinter terror groups in order to confuse the enemy. Until the West learns to ignore the lies of Islam and focus on the root of the problem...Islam itself...the enemy will continue laughing as we twist and contort and writhe in agony trying to "figure it all out".

In all these years of debating everyone from you to Dr. Pipes and others, it always boils down to that one clear fact of life. Islam is violent. Period.

"I believe it must therefore be categorized, segmented. Individual topics and approaches for:"

And by complicating the issue beyond hope, you fail. You cannot take 20 different approaches to one problem and expect them to work. The more complicated something is, the more likely it is prone to breaking down.

I won't even recognize your categorizations because they are false and unrealistic.

"I do not believe that there is one simple solution in response to all segments."

There is. We must force Islam to reform itself. It cannot do that while interacting with the rest of the world. My plan is akin to confining a child to his room to think about his wrongdoing.

"Most of above categories are naturally interconnected and cannot be seen as isolated, but at least in context."

So most of those categories are interconnected, but you want to use separate approaches to each? That makes no sense!

"In order to persevere as society, I feel we must solidify our position first, understand our own weaknesses, then build a "strong defense". In order to evolve and persevere, some self-criticism must be accepted, as one has more credibility, if one acknowledges his own shortcomings."

So many problems with that statement. First, one cannot discuss one's own shortcomings when discussion the reform of Islam with Muslims, because they fixate on how "wrong" your side is. No nation or system is perfect, but America stands head and shoulders above anything else ever done. The emphasis must be on the shortcomings of Islam. Discussion our own shortcomings does nothing to fix Islam and merely serves as a sign of weakness to Muslims (who see self-criticism as weak), it serves to give them a way of evading the problems inherent in Islam, and it takes the pressure off the necessity of reforming Islam. You say "build a strong defense", but that's just a sound bite...all fluff, no substance. What does it mean? And when you say "Solidify our position", well...just what is our position? You and I and Plato and Susan do not agree. So what is "our position"?

"The best leaders I have personally encountered inspired not by way of knowledge or facts, but by their humility in interpreting them. Leaders I admire in that regards are Churchill, Reagan, Willy Brand, Gorbatchev, Gandhi, MLK - just a few examples to frame my individual position."

You met Churchill? You met Gandhi? Gandhi died in '48. That was almost 60 years ago and you're still jetting around giving conflict resolution seminars? You'd be retired by now. More of your ego-puffing.

"Most of my below mentioned suggestions could be initiated by referenda, legal petitions and political activism."

Let's test that statement, shall we?

"I do not promote abolishing our freedoms, but implementing legislature to prevent perversion of its intents. (Thin line between Freedom of Expression and promoting hate and intolerance)"

You don't need legislation, you just have to go back to the Constitution.

"I promote strengthening of our society to counteract any form of (religious) intolerance and fanaticism by means of legislature, marketing, PR and education."

Again, we already have that stuff on the books. It's simply not being enforced. And how do you propose to deal with education and marketing if our society cannot even call Islam a violent religion (ie speak the truth) due to political correctness and stupidity?

"I promote strong (financial) support for families to counteract the decrease of our population."

Uh...Michel? Children aren't created via money, but via couples who choose to sexually reproduce. Our citizens are not having children, and many are having multiple abortions. Many others have kids but don't care for them, so they fall prey to the propaganda out there. How is money going to reverse this trend? And where are you going to get al that money from? Do you have any idea how much it would cost to give each person in the USA just $10? Three BILLION dollars.

"I promote forced assimilation and hence an utter revision of all matters concerning Immigration. (Takes also care of the ghettos, as any next generation would be forced to assimilate, if they wanted an education.)"

Again, how do you test for loyalty? "Forced assimilation"? How is that any better than "forced segregation", which is basically what I propose? Either way, it is forcing someone to do something they do not want to do in their hearts. The advantage to my method is that it removes the cancer, yours merely allows it to metastasize. How do you force Muslims to forswear loyalty to their all-encompassing cult of death and swear a higher allegiance to America? How do you force them to disobey major aspects of their religion?

Once again, you paint with a very broad brush, but there are no workable details. It sounds all good and lofty, but it's just fluff, as usual.

"In order to do all of the above, people must again en masse be motivated to partake in the political process – that can be done by means of modern marketing again and by regaining trust in our political leaders."

Once again, nice sounding fluff, but no details. Precisely how do you motivate people to partake in the political process? Politicians rank right down there with used car salesmen for having a bad reputation in studies and polls. How do you get people to regain trust in the politicians when the politicians are all liars, untrustworthy, corrupt, and serving special interests?

"In order to regain trust, the political system must be overhauled. (Term Limits, campaign contributions, porking, corruption, lobbying as just some potential directions)"

Once again, fluff. All these issues have been brought up and discussed and the politicians always swear we'll have changes, and they do not change. So what's your solution to the non-solution? How do you "overhaul" a corrupt system where two parties dominate and where it takes hundreds of millions of dollars to get elected, and all the major money power players are fixated on the two party system? As usual, you skim the surface because what you say sounds good and is to some degree true, but you offer no working details on how you hope to achieve those lofty goals. It's just talk, just fluff.

"General decay of moral and ethical values must be counteracted. (could be done by modern means of Marketing, PR, education and legislature)"

Moral and ethical values must be taught at home. That's the way it's always been. You cannot legislate morals. Do you ever pay attention to all the commercials about not doing drugs, not drinking and driving, not having unprotected sex, and all these other moral sound bites? No effect. Our society is still falling apart. Once again, you give no meaty details to discuss, just fluffy ideas.

"Significant increase of budgets towards our public school system with a resulting higher standard may also eventually contribute to a more engaged and educated populus."

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. We throw more and more money into our schools each year, and each year they go further downhill. Test scores are dropping so dramatically (despite, or perhaps because of, Bush's insane and illegal "No Child Left Behind" project) that we are now dumbing down our tests, including the SAT. They took out the antonym/synonym section because this was considered too difficult for our high school students:

Good is to evil as hot is to ________

Unreal, huh?

And you must not have passed your Constitution test to get in here, because the Dept. of Education is unconstitutional and illegal and has no business existing.

"I see the principles of the US constitution to be a set of principles truly superior to any other form of governing system. In order to evidence that, one must live by example. Hence the above roughly outlined overhaul I propose. Side effect: it covers also the philosophical dimension of "the moral highground"."

Really? How are you going to convince people to return to their Constitutional roots? How are you going to explain to the people that you are abolishing Social Security because it is unconstitutional and a great scam? How will you convince people that we don't need federal funding for schools, health care, etc, because all that is unconstitutional? That's partly what it would mean to live by example in reference to our Constitution. Once again, you offer fluff without details. "We're gonna do this, we're gonna do that". Yeah, but how?

"I believe that integration and inclusion is the better approach than banning and deportation."

You can believe whatever you want. You're still wrong. How do you force someone to integrate when they have no interest in integrating? The illegal Mexicans outright refuse to integrate. They want the turn America into another Mexico. Muslims are the same way. They want sharia law (40% of Muslim youths in Britain, for example, would prefer sharia law in Britain, according to a recent Pew Study). They are fighting for separate courts (Sharia) for Muslims in the USA, Britain, Netherlands, and everywhere else.

You also don't understand Muslims. They're a tribal people. They do not think of themselves as Saudis or Iraqis or Iranians. They are Muslims first, then they have their tribal affiliation, and the country they live in is virtually irrelevant to them. Because you, Michel, do not understand tribal mentality (which sorta shoots down your claim of having lived with them so often in their ghettos and villages), you do not understand why your claim is pure fluff. How do you integrate a group of people who are not here to integrate, but rather to transform our society into the one they came from? You simply do not know what you're talking about.

"I agree with Plato's rationale in response to the latter strategy and hence deem such as not only morally and ethically questionable, but in a pragmatic context as not feasible. (Plato definitely put some dents into that strategy in his last post, to say the least)."

Plato put no dents in my plan. He whined about Native Americans, and then I shot down all his criticisms point by point.

"I believe in education vs alienation"

And when the enemy denies your education and alienates himself due to his own belief system, what do you do? Another piece of fluff because you don't understand the subject (as you admit). It's clear you're into modern marketing, because nowadays it's all about making something sound good without saying anything substantial about it. That's what you do here. How do you force someone to stop alienating himself? That's what Muslims do.

"A unified school system, federally regulated and mandated equally for all ( no catering to minorities) will contribute to a balanced population demography and potentially to a commonly shared identification as US citizens and patriotism"

What kind of so-called American are you? You claim you just arrived here after studying our Constitution, and yet you mandate a federally funded and managed school system that is clearly unconstitutional? The Dept. of Education is the very instrument that is being used to screw up our school and which has turned them into PC indoctrination camps instead of being centers of learning.

See Michel, you're part of the problem. You pontificate, but you prove by all your puffing and blowing that you do not know what you're talking about. You're not entitled to an opinion. You have no clue about anything, and you drive that point home every time you post!

"Intensify the war on terror on all fronts (economical, intelligence etc.)"

Of utmost importance in any war is the concept of not allowing the enemy to infiltrate your home front. In order to intensify the war on terror on all fronts" would mean expelling or eliminating the enemy at home, the subversives and the sleeper cells. You're not willing to go there, so your claim is false and dishonest. Also, there is no such thing as a "war on terror". That's idiotic. You cannot commit a war against an action. The war is against Islam, which is a violent, militant, expansionist religion. Terror is simply one of the methods that Islam is using to defeat us. Enacting a "war on terror" would be like going to war with the Nazis and saying "We're going to war against howitzers" and then targetting only that one weapon in their arsenal. That would be insane.

You, Michel, fail to pass the very first test as to whether someone is qualified to speak on the subject. You refuse to ackowledge and name the enemy (Islam). You instead prefer dishonest and misleading euphemisms such as "war on terror". Hence, you are not entitled to an opinion on the matter.

"Global intelligence network by networking computer systems of all intelligence agencies a la Interpol for just terrorism related data (so it would be feasible)"

Been done already. How do you propose dealing with all the subversives (politicians and media) here who leak information about us tapping phone calls, the subversives in the media who whip that into a frenzy and distort the facts, and the average moron in the streets who stand with Cindy Crawford and whine about our tactics and try to undermine our war effort by trying to deny the ability to tap phones or to torture terrorists?

Once again, fluff, Michel.

" Assigning budget for a border control which deserves its name"

We already have plenty of money in the budget. The problem is that we don't allow the border patrol to do its job. They cannot even chase fleeing suspects. You're like a typical politician with a one-track mind when it comes to solutions...throw money at it! Sorry, that does not work. You can assign an extra hundred trillion dollars to border patrol. If we do not enforce the law, if we do not have the will to fight, then all that money is useless. So once again, fluff.

"Draconic penalties for hate crimes and terrorism of any kind (life sentences instead of death sentences is much more deterring in face of Muslim terrorism)"

First of all, the concept of "hate crimes" is nonsense and simply a political bandage on a non-problem. Terrorism is not a crime, it is an act of war. You clearly do not understand the difference, hence once again you are blowing fluff and proving to us that you are not entitled to an opinion on the matter.

"Implement legislature to intelligence gathering by drastic means (including torture – but also independent control by judicial branch )"

Been there, done that. Got a lot of stupid whiners complaining about it and a lot of even stupider politicians apologizing for it and trying to prevent it.

"Strong and decisive retaliation geared at any organization and/or government in support of terrorismup to and not limited to military action."

That "oraganization" would be called "Islam". CAIR is the single most disruptive and subversive Muslim group in the USA, there is no question about it. We have to forcibly remove them, as they are twisting and using our own laws against us in order to undermine our will and our power. How do you "retaliate" against CAIR? Do we lock them all up and use tons of taxpayer dollars to feed and cloth them,and to buy all those rubber gloves so that we don't "soil" their precious Korans when we deliver them in jail? Once again, you have no solutions, just fluff and sound bites, typical of a marketing/PR exec.

"Revise military doctrine and org towards special forces ( mini armies)
Sustain and expand a solid network of local bases in " friendly" countries to ensure stability."

Why spend the money to station forces? And how does this protect the mainland? Better to deport and then contain and isolate. That is the tactic used to contain virulent outbreaks of viral or bacterial nature. It works, and it's proven to work. We need to use it on Islam.

"Sustain elevated budgets for upkeep, motivate, pressure, influence Europeans on all levels to follow suit."

Right, our allies in the UN, who always vote against us. Who provided Saddam with military aid, strategy, and secrets once we invaded? Who made back-door deals with Saddam despite having voted for sanction? Ever heard of the food for oil scam, Michel? Spain caved in to the terrorists after just one bombing!

"Much of above mentioned ideas would eliminate them as a "threat", inasmuch, as any minority would learn it to be very hard to pervert and subvert this strong and unified society which I deem as possible."

Amazing. You've just spent about a thousand or so words saying nothing, spewing fluff that has no basis in reality and with no workable details, and then you pat yourself on the back for having "solved the problem". You haven't even accurately identified the problem, Michel! You skipped step one.

"I believe that there is a large number of Muslims here, who do not engage in any criminal or subversive activities and do not plan to do so. It is irrelevant, if the number is 3 M or 30."

First of all, it is not irrelevant whether the number is 3 million or 30 million. That's a difference by a factor of 10, for one thing. Having 30 million and using the absurd claim that only 10% of them are bad would create a standing army of 3,000,000 in our country as opposed to only 200,000 using the true numbers. That's the difference between a large militia and the combined armed forces of Russia and China!

It also proves that you don't have your facts straight, that you don't do the research, that you don't have anywhere near an even cursory understanding of the problem, and it undermines any smidgen of credibility you might have once had. The fact that you blow it off as irrelevant when your huge mistake was confronted shows that you simply don't care about the subject. It's just a game to you.

"Fact is, that the minority is growing, that it is a significant number and that this minority has not (yet) engaged in large scale militancy."

I'd call flying planes into skyscrapers and the Pentagon and killing 3,000 people "large scale militancy". I'd call trying to poison Congress and sending anthrax spores through the mail all across the USA to be "large scale militancy". What does it take for you Michel? A nuclear attack on New York City? And you clearly do not understand the enemy or the nature of war, because you are totally ignorant of and obvlivious to the various forms of warfare being used by Muslims against us, including the migratory attack, which has 1,400 years of historical precedence as well as more modern precedence in Europe.

"I feel that there is ample time for a societal overhaul, until that minority grows to "critical mass"."

Then you're delusional and not keeping up with recent events, that's for sure.

"I feel that demonisation of this minority leads to "creating the monster" as a natural response."

Again, clueless. The fact that you consider admitting the problem (ie acknowledging Islam as the core problem) "demonization" shows that you just don't get it and aren't on our side. We're not creating a monster, we are identifing a monster. One that you personally are comfortable in pretending does not exist until it comes to decapitate you.

"A successful "Domino" strategy could be implemented to further modern democracy and human rights in this region as well as eliminate the breeding grounds for radical fundamentalism."

How is this vacuous fluff any different from the previous vacuous fluff you've been posting? I've already confronted you on this very issue several times already, and still you skirt the issue. Precisely how do you plan on promoting decency and human rights in countries where such things are outlawed by the Cult of Death, and where you are beheaded or stoned to death for criticizing it or for trying to institute reform? Where Bibles and other holy books are outlawed? Where human rights and decency are looked at as weakness?

See Michel, this post is typical of all your posts. All fluff, no details. Wishful thinking and fantasizing with no link to reality whatsoever. Sound bites that sound good, but that leave you with an empty stomach.

"Support integration of Turkey into EU with "by design" control of positive development as far as the modern principles of democracy are concerned."

Sure. Like they need more Muslims in the EU!

"Support liberal tendencies ( grassroots) in Jordan, Egypt and the likes, help them to become "model states of democracies with ISLAM as predominant religion, yet separated from state. Support in form of individual Marshall plans, custom -tailored, monitiored per each of these countries. Support stable economies, eliminate the base. Provide jobs and that base will shrink, is my ideology. (See Ireland as template)"

Oh, sure! You want us to unconstitutionally and illegally pump even more billions of hard earned taxpayer dollars into these countries despite the fact that the billions we have already pumped in have only been used to fund terrorism against us? Let me ask you, Michel...how do you manage to type while wearing that straight jacket? I thought they didn't let inmates in Bellevue access the internet.

Why is it our job to give money to these countries anyway? Why don't they use their own wealth to improve themselves instead of spending in on terror weapons, terrorist armies, and a propaganda system? You do realize, don't you, that the Saudis have high unemployment because so many of them with their inflated egos are "too good" to do menial tasks? They all think they're entitled to a kings' ransom for working at McDonald's. That's why they have to import so many workers in the service industry while millions of Saudis are unemployed.

Once again, Michel, you prove that you have no clue about the subject, you are not dealing with reality, you are totally uneducated on the matter, and you are therefore not entitled to an opinion.

"Show of strength and power towards IRAN and Syria up to and not limited to intrusive means of warfare. In the case of IRAN I sadly can only see a full out invasion"

Do you, Michel, personally have the backbone to advocate tactical nuclear weapons in that invasion? Because you do know that's what it would take, correct? Their bunkers are buried so deep and are so hardened that most likely only low-yield tactical nukes can take out their nuclear missile sites. Are you man enough to go that far, or would you prefer a disastrous, limited, ineffective attack that will only serve to embarass America once again and embolden the enemy ever moreso?

"Action, backed by the entire industiralized world, must be taken, before Israel is put into the literal corner, where they do not see any other way to survive, other than employing their own ear arsenal."

Well you can't count on Europe or the UN to back us. They've proven that they cannot be trusted. We've protected them from the Soviets for so long that they've lost the will to defend themselves. In this, we have one ally...Israel.

"Topple the corrupt regime in Saudi Arabia, seat of fundamental leaders of the religious movement after all. Once moderate voices sound off Mecca and Medina, a large segment of the global Muslim pop will follow. Apart from the fact that the financial backbone of Al Khaeda and the likes would be gone."

You truly are delusional! Do you honestly believe that nonsense you just wrote? It's mind-bogglingly in denial of reality and it's hard to imagine that even you believe it. You really think there are all these moderate Muslims just waiting to "pop up" and reclaim their religion? You're crazy. And how do we control the oil fields once we attack Saudi Arabia and Iran? Do you realize how much economic instability would result if we did not immediately sieze the oil?

"Force feed some form of new radical idea as to ISRAEL/Palestine in order to resolve the impasse and continuous burning ember of the mutual hatred in that region."

Yeah, just stuff it down their throats. Some undefined, ambiguous, non-defined "idea". Don't bother us with details as to precisely how you're going force them to accept this vacuous, undefined radical new idea, just "do it". And you clearly are dishonest in your post (as usual), because Israel does not have mutual hatred for the Muslims. Case in point...Palestine. The so-called Palestinians want to form a second Palestinian state (the first being Jordan since they're all Jordanian) called Palestine, and they have already publicly stated that no Jews can live in their state. Hamas and the PLO are still mandating the utter annihilation of Israel. Israel on the other hand is handing over territory, they allow Muslims to vote and even hold office.Show me a Jew holding office in Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. The Israelis give the Muslims more freedom, happiness, rights, and high quality of life than they can obtain in any Muslim country.

Michel, you are utterly clueless and delusional when it comes to world affairs. Go back to your fantasy world and leave the solution to real men who have a clue.

"My idea would consist in some form of a Vatican style solution, as far as the combined holy sites are concerned."

"Some sort of" solution? "Some form of" new ideas? See what I mean, Michel? You speak in empty, meaningless sound bites. No details, no thought, just "something" that sounds good. Never any details, never any analytical thought, just goofy undefined and unrealistic sound bites thrown out because they sound lofty but with no substance to give them any meaning.

"The UN could be in charge of all holy sites and otherwise completely demilitarize those."

Riiiight! The clearly anti-Semitic UN that has repeatedly condemned Israel every time they kill a terrorist leader but that refuses to condemn terrorist actions taken by the so-called Palestinians? The clearly anti-Semitic UN that stood by and did nothing in Lebanon? As I said Michel, you live in a Fantasy Land in your head, and have no clue when it comes to actual reality. You offer absurd non-solutions that are nothing more than empty sound bites with no connection to reality and no hope of working.

"Maybe such a solution could only be achieved by massive UN backed troop presence throughout this entire area. Disarm all groups in Palestine (Hamas, Fatah etc., by placing 500000 soldiers in the area with clear directives and rules of engagement in any case of violence. Seal the borders air tight. Yep - that would cost a fortune, but I deem a huge bill now better than an endless conflict for the next 100 years. Time for the UN to justify its existence."

Oh sure! Who foots the bill for all that? The USA, which is the main fund for the UN. We've seen how biased the UN is against Israel, so they cannot be trusted. Disarming all terror groups in Israel would mean a bloody and violent war that would escalate to involve state actors (Syria, Iran, Lebanon) and would most likely lead to all-out (and possibly nuclear) war. And you, Michel, are not willing to go there. Are you so foolish and naive to believe that Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PLO would simply hand their weapons over to UN troops? Maybe in your internal Fantasy Land, but never in actual reality.

Finally, you cannot disarm hatred. The so-called Palestinians would resort to sticks and stones if need be to murder innocent Jews, since they are virtually prehistoric barbarians. And I thought you didn't like my idea of penning them in? Now you do? Make up your mind!

"Please understand - I am standing here with a penlight inside of the Carlsbad Caverns, unable to explore the entire matter. Above is only a short term catalogue of potential tactical approaches the West could take."

Right, Indiana Jones. You're typing all this on a laptop in the caverns. I thought they disallowed laptops inside the caverns. Or did you sneak in, because tours don't sit in one spot long enough to type such a long post. Your credibility, virtually non-existent as it is, just took another powerful blow.

"My ideas may not be easy feasible, or will take a long time."

Your ideas are vacuous fluff to be flushed. They do not contain any sort of detail and exhibit no evidence of analytical thought or logic. They fly in the face of reality and history and provide no working details. They're empty sound bites, as they always are coming form you.

"But, as Plato so eloquently responded, seem at least more pragmatic than banning a religion, deporting its followers back to the middle east, or nuking entire countries."

They sound like the fantasies of a man disconnected from reality, that's what your ideas sound like. They are anything but pragmatic, as they deal in phantasms and illusions and offer no solid details grounded in reality. You propose that we enforce "some sort of idea", "somehow", but without explaining precicely which idea or how. Michel, your post is nothing more than a hot air balloon once more, and I just poked a needle into it. BOOM! And so it ends.

"I consider Noah's negative examples as much as non-representative as mine. In the end, he admitted himself, his Muslim friends disappointed him. So logically deducted, his experiences were in fact negative, even, if they started up as positive. Hence I am provenly right in my assessment of him arguing at least in part from a mindset of negative personal experiences."

Wrong again. They were never my "friends", and you have misquoted and misrepresented my statements once again. They were neighbors who treated me like a king on the surface, but I always saw through that. There was no question even back then, as to what they were really like. I learned this during constant and frequent discussions and debates with them. My experience is also backed up by solid investigation, hard and accurate logic and analytical thought, reputable polls and studies, historical and modern precedence and current world events, not to mention the words and actions (as well as inactions) of Muslims worldwide.
On the other hand, your experiences arenotbacked by anything other than your delusions and your imagination.

" I on the other hand mainly focused on one of my categories, our domestic minority and can not find overwhelming evidence for their evil nature."

That's because you clearly do not understand the enemy, you do not understand the nature of their cult, you are not in any way knowledgable of historical events and precedence, and you are admittedly ignorant on the matter.

"I did indeed call for "censorship" or even closing the session, as for my taste the tonality became extremely hostile, insulting, offensive and disturbing. I stand to that call."

If that's true, then you should immediately go to some embassy, revoke your citizenship in America, and get out. You have no business being here if you think that censorship is good and you call for it simply because people exposed your lies and ridiculed your absurd claims.

" too - I sadly admit - used inflammatory, offensive language - Albeit - I formally apologized, whereas my apology was "used" to further twist my meanings or "slap me in the face.
Analogy: I stretched out my hand, and got it hacked off in response."

Stop whining. Had you been in a Muslim country they would have stoned you to death, cut your head off, and paraded your corpse through the streets.

" I subjectively perceived the tonality as aforementioned - hence, Yes - I endorse censorship (to an extent) for any form of expressed intolerance and hatred."

Your mentality sets a dangerous precedent. You believe that censorship is called for in order to deal with the mere exposure of liars and calling a spade a space. Yes, some mild insults were thrown your way, and some were coming forth from you as well. In America, in a truly free country, that right is protected. I means you have to endure ridicule and derision when it is directed at you. It means hearing the unpleasant truth when you don't want to hear it. You clearly do not understand what America is all about, and should leave if this stuff offends you.

"Is it just me who feels, that too much freedom of expression is granted in this blog?"

"Too much freedom"? Why don't you move to Iran or Saudi Arabia? Perhaps then you'll drop the absurd claim of "too much freedom".

"But we are talking about real people here, real victims, real blood and I tried to reason for some consideration for the accompanying misery and the terrible consequences resulting from such action."

Misery and consequences they brought on themselves. Don't expect any sympathy from me.

"I disclaimed my estimate ( of course conveniently overlooked). But the actual number is in fact irrelevant. We obviously agree that the number is significant, and even, if only 4M, percentage wise the homegrown Muslim unrest or militancy is marginal compared to our own. Current statistics of the prison pop here in the US seem to evidence that."

You did not disclaim your highly inaccurate "estimate". You stuck to it long after I called you out on it. In fact, I called you out in it twice, and after that you repeated your claim to Sohail. You refuse to acknowledge that the most accurate estimates come to just 2 million. You still cling to double that, by claiming 4 million. You cannot admit when you're wrong, and you cannot deal with reality.

"So are they true of other movements, and I do not ignore it, but would oppose all such efforts instead of just vilifying one."

Wrong. Back your latest absurd claim. Show me where Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, etc are trying to eradicate an entire civilization and institute a second Holocaust. Show me where those other religions are cutting off heads of those who convert to other religions or who criticize those religions. Show me where Chrisitans, Buddhists, etc are out raping, murdering, arsoning, and rioting over cartoons.

Michel, renounce your citizenship and go back to Fantasy Land. It's your only hope.

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1How the West Lost- There will be evil in the last days, we expect rough times. response to James [354 words]Anne- USAJun 24, 2010 19:26138894
1the left wing must be stopped and exposed [36 words]stefanoMar 4, 2008 00:21121684
The Leftwing must be stopped and exposed-----by Stephano [345 words]DebbieJul 20, 2008 10:16121684
Really America, really? [49 words]JasnaDec 26, 2008 20:14121684
1how many more must die... before we all see ? [180 words]Phil GreendOct 6, 2007 18:51110560
We need to put aside political correctness and discuss Islam [365 words]Dennis GravesSep 11, 2007 15:22108556
counter thought... [123 words]donvanOct 18, 2007 09:24108556
2ISLAM NOT A RELIGION OF PEACE. [3 words]Nina NiaziOct 19, 2007 19:24108556
1We, the People. [122 words]Linda HaslamOct 20, 2007 00:16108556
1right on brother! [375 words]kid berthaNov 5, 2007 15:19108556
islam not a religon of peace [158 words]Nina niaziNov 20, 2007 10:06108556
1Brits deserve it!!! [186 words]JaladhiNov 20, 2007 20:22108556
3Islam: Religion of Peace? [85 words]Linda HaslamNov 27, 2007 09:42108556
2ISLAM NOT A RELIGION OF PEACE [207 words]nina niaziDec 2, 2007 17:40108556
God's children??? [139 words]Linda HaslamDec 6, 2007 11:11108556
2Jaladhi get an education old chap! [177 words]Leven-TorresApr 14, 2008 09:04108556
1try to learn scripture first [36 words]johnMay 18, 2008 05:02108556
1Don't misquote the Qur'an please. [832 words]KeithJul 22, 2008 18:22108556
islam excuses [2162 words]paul dunnNov 28, 2008 17:42108556
don't make any illusions [122 words]SunaJan 18, 2010 15:26108556
Ignorance: a dangerous thing [78 words]HamiyetMay 6, 2012 16:07108556
The War that we are Fighting [1925 words]Major DaveMay 23, 2007 17:3894113
My average American's opinion [768 words]kid berthaJun 12, 2007 16:1994113
So what is your solution? [1942 words]Major DaveJun 12, 2007 23:5394113
misunderstood [1256 words]kid berthaJun 14, 2007 11:1894113
My Respect [341 words]MichelAug 25, 2007 15:0694113
Oh, boy......... [76 words]Nick4693Sep 13, 2007 19:5294113
1ISLAM NOT A RELIGION OF PEACE. [156 words]Nina NiaziOct 19, 2007 16:3694113
1Nina is correct. [432 words]kid berthaNov 5, 2007 14:4394113
ISLAM NOT A RELIGION OF PEACE [114 words]NinaNov 7, 2007 18:1994113
bravo [110 words]kcOct 21, 2009 01:0394113
Islam is not a relgion of Peace [20 words]sahilApr 10, 2011 13:5694113
2Monotheism vs Polytheism [225 words]IndianMay 17, 2007 03:5993309
Very right but still slightly off. [140 words]True-IndianSep 22, 2007 11:2693309
what is the truth? [51 words]najeebSep 15, 2009 09:1293309
Shiites [59 words]Dr Erich MeyerMay 8, 2007 23:5892175
1Why US should attack Islamic Iran now ??? [642 words]ShivaMay 4, 2007 10:1591639
1Finally a factual message has been posted [372 words]kid berthaMay 5, 2007 09:3291639
1Right on! [332 words]Nick4693Sep 13, 2007 22:5291639
there's no why! [84 words]SunaJan 18, 2010 15:3691639
Plato [302 words]SohailApr 22, 2007 06:2090156
To Sohail: All mixed up [210 words]PlatoApr 23, 2007 08:4390156
So why should the West be the winner???? [2 words]aliApr 16, 2007 10:0089384
Answers for Ali [93 words]Noah WilkApr 19, 2007 18:3889384
how i see it [74 words]warnerApr 20, 2007 01:0189384
Ali your answer is in the Taliban video [99 words]PlatoApr 22, 2007 01:5889384
Three words for you [3 words]RJMay 1, 2007 00:0889384
How the West could lose: Reply to Mr.Ali. [47 words]Jaisingh ThakurJul 13, 2007 00:1689384
Why [35 words]aliJul 21, 2007 14:3489384
No... [93 words]adfJul 20, 2008 15:1789384
3why most of iranian hate arabs and islam? [17 words]persianDec 16, 2008 17:3189384
iranians hate arabs [4 words]joeSep 11, 2009 17:5189384
To Be the Big Dog or Not [628 words]MichaelApr 11, 2007 11:4989023
A muslim duty [581 words]moderate MuslimApr 7, 2007 00:0088762
Reality check and fantasy [50 words]dhimmi no moreApr 7, 2007 18:1488762
make no sense [14 words]moderate MuslimApr 8, 2007 22:2288762
Yes I read it in Arabic a language that you do not know [27 words]dhimmi no moreApr 9, 2007 18:0988762
Honest answers, please! [343 words]Nick4693Sep 11, 2007 19:5788762
Now one question [106 words]moderate MuslimApr 6, 2007 23:3388757
M&M and his bogus context again and Q9:4 or 5 if you wish [53 words]dhimmi no moreApr 7, 2007 18:5188757
i dont even know [228 words]a muslim americanMar 27, 2007 22:1888086
Our dear M&M and Islamic meltdown part deux [19 words]dhimmi no moreMar 28, 2007 17:1588086
1A NORMAL MUSLIM... [341 words]DONVANApr 5, 2007 14:0488086
oil and water [86 words]todd morrisonOct 16, 2007 23:2588086
wow.... [51 words]moderate MuslimMar 27, 2007 15:3388065
It says ya ayuha al-nass! [105 words]dhimmi no moreMar 29, 2007 17:5788065
dhimmi, READ YOUR OWN EVIDENCE FIRST [225 words]moderate MuslimMar 30, 2007 19:3088065
For Our dear M&M and his bogus arabic and the Qur'an really says that islam is the religion of the Arabs only and you ain't one [718 words]dhimmi no moreApr 2, 2007 19:4188065
The poor Arabic translation of Picktall another wannabe Arab! [446 words]dhimmi no moreApr 3, 2007 07:2688065
For our dear M&m and argument from silence! And Islam is indeed the religion of the Hijazi Arabs as per Q14:4 and you ain't one [30 words]dhimmi no moreApr 5, 2007 18:1488065
One more time pt 2 [243 words]moderate MuslimMar 26, 2007 19:2788016
fantasy world of islam [286 words]susanMar 28, 2007 15:2688016
Still in denial, "Moderate" Muslim [357 words]Noah WilkMar 28, 2007 16:5988016
yeah ok [26 words]moderate MuslimMar 28, 2007 19:1988016
3Why are you making excuses, Moderate Muslim? [322 words]Noah WilkMar 31, 2007 17:5688016
were you at the rallies? [40 words]susanApr 1, 2007 10:0388016
Ok, so What? [11 words]moderate MuslimApr 2, 2007 19:0388016
the usual cheap excuse [11 words]susanApr 3, 2007 02:5688016
Ignorance is no excuse [168 words]Noah WilkApr 5, 2007 14:5188016
I will not stand for hate. [42 words]moderate MuslimApr 6, 2007 23:3688016
Moderate Muslim corners himself! [393 words]Noah WilkApr 7, 2007 16:2488016
Misunderstanding [311 words]moderate MuslimApr 7, 2007 21:1588016
easy [51 words]susanApr 8, 2007 07:1888016
the 1960's [27 words]moderate MuslimApr 8, 2007 22:2488016
not an "image" problem [297 words]susanApr 9, 2007 07:2088016
Speaking of hate and the Qur'an [83 words]dhimmi no moreApr 9, 2007 18:1988016
Why not burn effigies? [80 words]Noah WilkApr 9, 2007 20:5288016
noah [62 words]moderate MuslimApr 10, 2007 21:4888016
Back to Morous (12 seconds on the shot clock) [3677 words]moderate MuslimMar 25, 2007 22:1287974
Our dear M&M and cut and paste jobs Paki/Arabic and the bogus hadith! [522 words]dhimmi no moreMar 27, 2007 20:2387974
an addendum and my source for the hadith literary criticism [20 words]dhimmi no moreMar 28, 2007 07:0687974
My compliments to the sheik (morous 360 dunk in moderate's face, the crowd goes wild) [1370 words]MOROUSMar 28, 2007 16:3987974
To Moderate Muslim: [894 words]PlatoMar 30, 2007 04:2287974
No, I respect many [89 words]moderate MuslimMar 30, 2007 19:2587974
To Moderate Muslim: But Allah hates other religions [234 words]PlatoApr 1, 2007 02:0587974
numbers matter [54 words]susanApr 1, 2007 10:1387974
Here's your answer Plato [129 words]moderate MuslimApr 2, 2007 19:0987974
heh, ok right, that is so bogus [40 words]moderate MuslimApr 2, 2007 19:2487974
let's start from... [46 words]susanApr 3, 2007 03:1587974
And speaking of bogus! [86 words]dhimmi no moreApr 4, 2007 17:2987974
your answer [535 words](moderate) Muslim (though all real Muslims are moderate)Apr 5, 2007 22:0887974
christian arabs are first victims of muslims [243 words]susanApr 8, 2007 07:2687974
Islam and Terror [1398 words]moderate Muslim AmericanMar 22, 2007 17:4387720
Hamza Yusuf a Muslim scholar? LOL! [187 words]dhimmi no moreMar 23, 2007 19:2287720
5Nothing's more fun than debunking "Muslim Logic" [2959 words]Noah WilkMar 23, 2007 21:1887720
To Moderate Muslim: It is just a wish-list you have given us [2577 words]PlatoMar 24, 2007 06:4087720
M&M and David Chappelle exposed [147 words]dhimmi no moreMar 25, 2007 09:1487720
high muslim clerics agree with bin laden [394 words]susanMar 27, 2007 15:2487720
ok? [44 words]moderate Muslim-Mar 27, 2007 22:0087720
you just proved how ignorant islamphobes are [82 words]Islamophobic ignoranceMar 28, 2007 15:2687720
Precisely why we condemn you [380 words]Noah WilkMar 28, 2007 17:1887720
The little olive institute [32 words]dhimmi no moreMar 28, 2007 17:4587720
Our dear M&M and Yusuf Hamza's ancestry [25 words]dhimmi no moreMar 28, 2007 17:5187720
thanks.. [8 words]moderate MuslimMar 28, 2007 19:2087720
Islamophobia, really? [298 words]dhimmi no moreMar 29, 2007 07:2287720
Because , the most comfortable position for a coward is to struggle to be portrayed a "moderate" (&) Moslem. [611 words]Ynna(tchkah)Mar 29, 2007 13:4087720
poor reply [71 words]susanMar 29, 2007 13:4287720
like you said something... [91 words]susanMar 29, 2007 13:5087720
we need ears to listen and eyes to see [252 words]Islamophobia no more...Mar 29, 2007 16:3887720
chechnya is sufi [20 words]susanApr 1, 2007 10:1487720
I dont think you get it (Ynna (tchkah) [129 words]moderate MuslimApr 2, 2007 19:2387720
and why? [41 words]moderate MuslimApr 2, 2007 19:2787720
Our dear Islamophobia no more and his little diatribes [48 words]dhimmi no moreApr 2, 2007 19:5487720
Congratulations for not going to work to CAIR [108 words]Ynna (tchkah)Apr 3, 2007 03:0287720
skewed perception of Islamophobes [138 words]Islamophobia no moreApr 3, 2007 03:0387720
africa's fault is african [146 words]susanApr 3, 2007 03:2287720
an Islamophobe [259 words]Islamophobia no moreApr 3, 2007 03:3287720
cair wants sharia [39 words]susanApr 3, 2007 03:3987720
More diatribes from our dear INM aka M&M [103 words]dhimmi no moreApr 3, 2007 18:4387720
YOU DON'T GET THE POINT [19 words]moderate MuslimApr 3, 2007 20:2787720
For our dear INM and what is an Islamophobe part deux [343 words]dhimmi no moreApr 4, 2007 07:5387720
no matter how you turn it [67 words]susanApr 4, 2007 14:5187720
nobody is irrationally vilifying islam [234 words]susanApr 4, 2007 15:0887720
sharia allows slavery [18 words]susanApr 4, 2007 17:3987720
Dropping names and Si, comprende mucho! [111 words]dhimmi no moreApr 4, 2007 17:4887720
fallacy of bias history-reading [108 words]Islamophobia no moreApr 5, 2007 01:5987720
islamophobia, the stupidest word ever invented [124 words]susanApr 5, 2007 16:3087720
Cair and other people [171 words]moderate MuslimApr 5, 2007 22:1587720
CAIR [374 words]Noah WilkApr 6, 2007 14:5587720
Why then do you support it? [290 words]Noah WilkApr 6, 2007 15:0387720
cair = sharia = stone age [70 words]susanApr 6, 2007 15:1987720
Noah [124 words]moderate MuslimApr 6, 2007 23:4087720
M&M CAIR (big time LOL) and his flawed logic! [344 words]dhimmi no moreApr 7, 2007 08:3787720
Yes, Moderate Muslim, you ARE responsible! [516 words]Noah WilkApr 7, 2007 16:4587720
ROTFL [44 words]dhimmi no moreApr 7, 2007 18:3787720
al-Shari3a [10 words]dhimmi no moreApr 7, 2007 18:3987720
CAIR and mockery [26 words]dhimmi no moreApr 8, 2007 11:4087720
i'll see [37 words]moderate MuslimApr 8, 2007 22:3487720
Why aren't moderate muslims standing up? [55 words]Bob SterlingAug 20, 2007 23:5187720
why should the west win anyways if it continues with its current programme of warmongering? [434 words]cocoMay 6, 2009 12:0187720
islam & terror [627 words]John EdwardsOct 27, 2009 15:1387720
so here are you answers more if you want em [29 words]moderate MuslimMar 20, 2007 19:3287302
Moderate Muslim fails again! [1415 words]Noah WilkMar 21, 2007 15:3287302
mauritania has got legal slavery, allowed in islam [15 words]susanMar 21, 2007 16:5787302
MM [230 words]JaladhiMar 21, 2007 18:0187302
handshake with Kuffar? "Muslim debate schemes" and other sordid matters! [599 words]dhimmi no moreMar 22, 2007 07:5187302
morocco 50% literacy rate [18 words]susanMar 22, 2007 10:0387302
"Muslim debate schemes"! part deux [452 words]dhimmi no moreMar 24, 2007 14:1087302
Dhimmi No More - defenders of the faith have left town!!! [40 words]JaladhiMar 26, 2007 16:5687302
Your answer Plato (which is a really bad name for you, because it dishonores someone who actually thought [169 words]Moderate MuslimMar 20, 2007 19:1887298
Was the post for me? [45 words]PlatoMar 21, 2007 08:3087298
Try paying attention, Moderate Muslim [570 words]Noah WilkMar 21, 2007 17:5587298
blatantly clear? LOL [178 words]dhimmi no moreMar 21, 2007 19:5087298
To MM: Would Mohammed be a good name for me? [130 words]PlatoMar 22, 2007 14:0087298
you guys hate the truth, dontcha [23 words]moderate MuslimMar 22, 2007 17:1087298
clarification [36 words]Moderate MuslimMar 22, 2007 17:1287298
No, Im not beyond help, although I dont need much [73 words]moderate MuslimMar 22, 2007 17:1587298
Free will in islam? LOL [379 words]dhimmi no moreMar 24, 2007 08:1587298
you like lies don'tcha? [148 words]susanMar 25, 2007 10:2187298
To Syed [17 words]moderate MuslimMar 16, 2007 19:3086570
LOL syed is asking for caliphate [8 words]susanMar 18, 2007 10:1686570
Syed? LOL He has no credibility! [172 words]dhimmi no moreMar 18, 2007 12:5086570
Syeds are not Iranians?? [83 words]JaladhiMar 19, 2007 17:1886570
What? [35 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:2486570
For our dear M&M and islam [73 words]dhimmi no moreMar 20, 2007 17:4886570
To Moderate Muslim: Spreading Islam by avoiding unpleasant facts [389 words]PlatoMar 22, 2007 13:3586570
Sure, Syed's the perfect choice [230 words]JeffMar 27, 2007 18:2386570
i wasnt..... [77 words]moderate MuslimMar 27, 2007 22:0286570
THE JOKE'S ON YOU (DHIMMI) [32 words]moderate MuslimMar 16, 2007 19:2786568
And your point is? [244 words]dhimmi no moreMar 18, 2007 12:4086568
You dont know me, you dont even care [110 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:3686568
avoiding the sex slaves matter [52 words]susanMar 20, 2007 16:1186568
Uno Questiono por legion of doom [36 words]moderate MuslimMar 16, 2007 19:2586566
To Moderate Muslim: Global warming a belief? [63 words]PlatoMar 17, 2007 23:1186566
The Official Stance of the Legion of Doom On Global Warming [59 words]Noah WilkMar 18, 2007 10:1786566
youre just not answering [43 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:2986566
heheh, thanks plato [25 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:3086566
You were indeed given an answer [209 words]Noah WilkMar 20, 2007 15:2986566
They're not scared [107 words]Noah WilkMar 20, 2007 15:3686566
sex slaves conspiracy [101 words]susanMar 20, 2007 16:1486566
?? [72 words]moderate MuslimMar 22, 2007 17:1986566
Yes, you are on trial [223 words]Noah WilkMar 23, 2007 18:5786566
islam is not on trial, it's already convicted [14 words]susanMar 25, 2007 10:2686566
heh please [45 words]moderate MuslimMar 26, 2007 19:1686566
Spain and Arabian imperialism and justifying the absurd [69 words]dhimmi no moreMar 27, 2007 20:4886566
spain? islam flourished? [2978 words]susanMar 28, 2007 02:5786566
Islam is peace [103 words]moderate MuslimMar 14, 2007 21:3686334
disproved [331 words]susanMar 15, 2007 16:2486334
Islam and violence and silence [116 words]dhimmi no moreMar 18, 2007 17:3486334
uh NO [7 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:2586334
Our dear M&M has never been to a madrassa! [81 words]dhimmi no moreMar 24, 2007 14:2286334
A Peaceful Muslim Country (oh my) [259 words]moderate MuslimMar 11, 2007 21:2185929
...muslim [492 words]susanMar 12, 2007 18:3085929
very poor example [255 words]susanMar 12, 2007 18:4085929
Dave Chapelle? and who the heck is he? And why should we like him or hate him for this matter [235 words]dhimmi no moreMar 12, 2007 19:3985929
MALAYSIA A PEACEFUL MUSLIM COUNTRY???LOL [110 words]MOROUSMar 13, 2007 16:5385929
Malaysia is Saudi Arabia of East [142 words]JaladhiMar 13, 2007 19:1385929
Talking points, pillars, quibbles, quotes, examples, and some words of wisdom from the kennedys. [972 words]moderate MuslimMar 13, 2007 19:3285929
MY EMAILS? [13 words]muslimMar 13, 2007 21:2385929
Malaysia is Saudi Arabia of East - Pt. 2 [133 words]JaladhiMar 14, 2007 16:2785929
The good ole pillars of islam! [84 words]dhimmi no moreMar 14, 2007 16:4385929
kennedy quote? [659 words]susanMar 14, 2007 16:4485929
why does everyone not get it [32 words]moderate MuslimMar 14, 2007 19:4085929
huh?? [339 words]morousMar 15, 2007 12:2285929
Our dear M&M and you ain't Muqatil [61 words]dhimmi no moreMar 15, 2007 20:0485929
To Morous-Clarify a few things [291 words]moderate MuslimMar 15, 2007 21:2585929
your clarification Moderate [664 words]MorousMar 17, 2007 11:4685929
one clarification: malaysia has got sharia law [41 words]susanMar 18, 2007 10:1985929
literal interpretation [68 words]susanMar 18, 2007 10:2285929
Reply to Reply : morous [116 words]moderate MuslimMar 18, 2007 17:1585929
women as humans? [31 words]susanMar 20, 2007 04:5185929
It's Back in your court MODERATE [616 words]MorousMar 20, 2007 13:2585929
Malaysia? [171 words]surjApr 20, 2007 22:3485929
More Answers (Aisha) (ra) [2787 words]moderate MuslimMar 11, 2007 21:0685919
aisha the child [103 words]susanMar 12, 2007 18:3385919
To Moderate Muslim: Hiding the shame of Aisha's age and a Maulana abrogates 9:29 [989 words]PlatoMar 13, 2007 01:1385919
3A'isha and real history! and playing with dolls! [648 words]dhimmi no moreMar 13, 2007 07:2885919
Lies will not change historical age of Aisha at the time of her marriage [157 words]JaladhiMar 20, 2007 15:4385919
The Ultimate Post- No Hiding, No Crying, Just Answers [8353 words]moderate MuslimMar 8, 2007 22:1385330
I'm cherry picking Moderate Muslim's huge post [2178 words]Noah WilkMar 9, 2007 04:1485330
For our dear M&M and his bogus command of Islamic theology [454 words]dhimmi no moreMar 9, 2007 18:0085330
To Moderate Muslim: Ethical basis of Islam and the thrashing of women by men [2001 words]PlatoMar 10, 2007 07:3085330
For our dear Moderate Msulim and what is really a moderate Muslim?And other sordid matters [885 words]dhimmi no moreMar 10, 2007 07:4085330
More Answers-To Dhimmi [293 words]moderate MuslimMar 10, 2007 13:2085330
Our dear M&M and he is really a "bait"? and Jihad or holy war revisited part deux [653 words]dhimmi no moreMar 10, 2007 14:1585330
moderate [592 words]susanMar 10, 2007 15:0185330
For our dear M&M and Q2:216 ...part one! [832 words]dhimmi no moreMar 11, 2007 09:2885330
dhimmi ... [26 words]susanMar 11, 2007 10:3985330
For our dear M&M and Q9:4 part deux! [541 words]dhimmi no moreMar 11, 2007 14:4185330
moderate Muslim [61 words]moderate MuslimMar 11, 2007 17:4285330
Condemnable Offenses. Controlling Men [91 words]moderate MuslimMar 11, 2007 17:4585330
you have no idea what a race is again [13 words]susanMar 12, 2007 03:3885330
M&M and more fantasy [262 words]dhimmi no moreMar 12, 2007 07:5285330
To Moderate Muslim: Fight to make your neighbours submit to Allah [179 words]PlatoMar 12, 2007 10:1585330
response to moderate muslim [555 words]morousMar 12, 2007 16:2585330
invented by modern people? [111 words]susanMar 12, 2007 18:3085330
yeah, so? [97 words]moderate MuslimMar 12, 2007 19:2485330
To Moderate Muslim: On rape and chopping off hands [583 words]PlatoMar 12, 2007 23:1885330
Uh no [17 words]moderate MuslimMar 13, 2007 19:3385330
the joke is on you morous [36 words]moderate MuslimMar 13, 2007 19:3685330
Hypocritical Muslim [56 words]Noah WilkMar 13, 2007 20:4385330
origins [183 words]dhimmi no moreMar 13, 2007 21:5885330
Racism! Really? [147 words]dhimmi no moreMar 14, 2007 12:3185330
i am 100% correct [57 words]susanMar 14, 2007 16:2285330
More evidence [47 words]dhimmi no moreMar 14, 2007 16:5685330
Hypocrisy - thy name is.... [46 words]JaladhiMar 14, 2007 17:3185330
1Jesus is god? [26 words]moderate muslimMar 14, 2007 19:3185330
not quite making sense - at all [129 words]moderate MuslimMar 14, 2007 19:3785330
lies [30 words]moderate MuslimMar 14, 2007 19:3885330
His words? [226 words]dhimmi no moreMar 15, 2007 07:3985330
Muslims suppress free debate on anti Semitism at Leeds University, UK [163 words]DelboyMar 15, 2007 09:4985330
MM [135 words]susanMar 15, 2007 16:1485330
2My dear M&M and i'm glad that you asked and the Qur'an really says that Jesus is God! [93 words]dhimmi no moreMar 15, 2007 19:5985330
Uh what? [38 words]moderate MuslimMar 16, 2007 19:2185330
MM - Read Dhimmi No More's(who knows Arabic) posts to understand Q9:4 [92 words]JaladhiMar 19, 2007 17:4885330
Respond to what? [58 words]dhimmi no moreMar 19, 2007 20:1485330
For our dear M&M and the Qur'an really says that jesus is God and the bogus tawheed [140 words]dhimmi no moreMar 20, 2007 07:5185330
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE KORAN SAYS [22 words]MOROUSMar 20, 2007 14:0285330
The fundamentally faulty logic of the person called dhimmi no more [201 words]moderate MuslimMar 20, 2007 19:0185330
Astaghfirullah is M&M's lame answer [239 words]dhimmi no moreMar 23, 2007 07:2885330
Flat? Hardly [31 words]Moderate MuslimMar 25, 2007 21:5385330
Hand Chopping and Adultery [74 words]Mukhtar Ahmed KashifJul 30, 2009 12:4785330
Why I am proud to be a member of the Legion of Doom! [354 words]Noah WilkMar 8, 2007 21:0985321
The wake up call [15 words]Moderate MuslimFeb 26, 2007 16:2579077
You're talking, but you're not saying anything, Moderate Muslim [499 words]Noah WilkFeb 26, 2007 20:3579077
PEACEFUL NATION? YEAH, COMPARED TO THE HUNS [53 words]Moderate MuslimFeb 28, 2007 07:3279077
homework for moderate muslim [155 words]susanFeb 28, 2007 15:3479077
MM, you very well described actions of Muslims [98 words]JaladhiFeb 28, 2007 17:4279077
mob muslim contradiction [97 words]susanFeb 28, 2007 18:1079077
to mod.muslim [145 words]AnnaFeb 28, 2007 19:3479077
Susan [507 words]Moderate MuslimFeb 28, 2007 20:3479077
For our dear M&M and more fantasy [371 words]dhimmi no moreMar 1, 2007 06:0279077
peace.. [125 words]donvanMar 1, 2007 09:1879077
YES [87 words]Moderate MuslimMar 1, 2007 19:5079077
Strive to forgive what? [15 words]dhimmi no moreMar 2, 2007 17:2279077
don't believe you [65 words]susanMar 3, 2007 12:4879077
Response to Susan [153 words]moderate MuslimMar 5, 2007 20:0779077
educated fanatics.. [14 words]donvanMar 6, 2007 15:0079077
Anti-Semitic propaganda from our "Moderate" Muslim [340 words]Noah WilkMar 7, 2007 12:5179077
so many mistakes again [263 words]susanMar 7, 2007 15:0279077

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