Time to put up or shut up
Submitted by Noah Wilk (United States), Jan 29, 2007 at 20:18
"Michel: A) I look at the various (middle eastern) countries vs. B) domestic (immigrated) Muslims instead of the simplistic approach to bunch them into one group. Then – domestically spoken, your 10% are very much something to work with, whereas the 10% in the middle –eastern countries is a whole different ball game."Michel, the time has come for you to either put up or shut up. You have repeatedly been challenged to show any evidence that "domestic" Muslims are different, to show evidence that they denounce terror and are trying to change and reform their religion. You have refused to do so. Put up or shut up.
You have also been challenged to show how the situation in America is any different from all other examples in history (including current events) which show us that whenever Muslims start to rise in numbers, they start to destroy the culture they have infiltrated. Susan has given you even more info on this than I have. Put up or shut up.
"My neck hair stands up straight by now and goose bumps all over…they are inferior in any sense of the word, was the key statement above. Where have I heard that statement before, in justification of pure evil? "
Again, you are twisting my words and making absurd and inaccurate comparisons. But then, we know that your intent here is not to come up with a workable solution, but rather to spread lies and propaganda in order to attempt discrediting those of us intelligent enough to know and brave enough to speak the truth.
Yes, they are inferior. Their culture promotes death, slavery, and ignorance. Miitarily they cannot compare in any way to the USA. Economically they are below us...far higher rates of unemployment, mass amounts of poverty, etc. These are simply facts of reality.
"Other than that - a cornered animal will attack way beyond the flight zone. You do not need to be standing in the same corner."
You clearly do not have any experience with cornered animals. Maybe because you spend all your time living in Muslim slums while conducting conflict resolution seminars on nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. Sigh. A cornered animal will only attack that which is near him. America won't be near Arabia. We'd be safe.
"Quite actually, my cousins, the Jewish lobby in Washington are far more influential, always conveniently overlooked by our radical friends here."
Right, sure. That's why we tip-toe around offending Muslims while undermining Israel by trying to force Israel to relinquish territory to their mortal enemies so that those enemies can have a second terrorist state from which to conduct terror operations? That's why the media sides with the Muslims and why our government and media both act as aopologists for Islam? You're crazy.
"Whoa - do not dare to mention our own skeletons, Plato, as it always will be dismissed as irrelevant or deflecting the topic. "
Michel, it is not deflection on our part. We have already answered those charges. Nothing can be done about the past, and it also has no bearing on the current situation. Also, people like myself have admitted to atrocities in the past. But as I said, that has nothing to do with now. You and Plato, on the other hand, have repeatedly deflected and ignored challenges to back up your claims and present detailed plans of your own.
"Even though that genocide is only several generations away, hence not so incredibly far down in the past, or that only a generation ago, blacks could not sit with whites or drink out of the same fountains, and we at present have people in jail for hate crimes (many more westerners than Muslims, I might add) is of course nothing in comparison to the grave Muslim danger…..LOL"
Oh, so now you belittle the threat? You claim that racism that existed generations ago (and which does not exist to any large extent today) is a more grave threat than an enemy who has already flown airplanes into skyscrapers and who are concocting future atrocities? Michel, you're a clown. I won't be wasting much time with you from this point on, unless and until you can respond to the challenges put to you as opposed to babbling mindlessly about irrelevant issues.
I have come to believe that you're here simply to fight, with no productive outcome as the goal. We call those people "trolls", in internet-speak.
"The irony is that Noah and Susan mount fact after historical fact in evidence of their depiction of the ugly Muslim. As soon, as you dare to look inwards, touch on some of our own history, you deflect or avoid the issue at hand. It is a moving target, Plato, forget it."Typical dishonest reply. Michel, face the facts...you can't put up, so try shutting up.
"????? - I am speechless. That is so beyond stupidity, I actually found myself laughing. We seem to argue with children here, Plato and I just realized, after reading the other outright moronic responses, that we absolutely waste our time here. I have way better things to do than to argue with people who see our world as a video game."
"Dr. Pipes - if you are the moderator here, maybe it's time to close the session or apply some form of censorship, as so often sadly fact, well-intended food for thought brings out the worst and , in this case, the dumbest."Aha! A true sign of defeat! Michel, you cannot respond to the challenges thrown at you, and you cannot present any evidenc to back your claim. Now that everyone is on to your tactics, you resort to the last tactic of the defeated...run crying to a moderator to silence your oppponent! How typical. You've failed, Michel, to present any sort of quality debate, to make a single relevant point, or to back your claims or shoot down a single challenge sent your way. So you cry to the moderators because you cannot debate properly. Sad.
Well, now that Michel and Plato have been exposed as frauds, I wonder who else will step up to the plate?
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