zala so many wrong statements

Submitted by susan (Italy), Jan 7, 2007 at 16:19

"In 2006 (For heaven's sake) I heard a respected preacher yell from the front, that, if you do not believe in the Christian God, you will " BURN IN HELL"."

wow, and did you run away scared? on the contrary when the muslims tell you "convert or die" they really mean it. and they really do it.

" it is the duty of the church to "save the non-believers and make them Christians. "

can you understand the concept of proselityzing without violence?

Unless you are victim of jeovha witnesses or really die hard evangelicals (which are not the majority of christians) I seriously doubt you have been "harassed" by followers of a christian church.

"History and present have demonstrated, how we have rammed the Bible down the throats of so many unfortunate souls who simply happened to believe in something else. "

can you please back up your statements with examples of "present". If the bible was really shoved down people's throat everywhere we wouldn't have a muslim problem nowadays. Care to check the non-sense you are saying?

Christians in places with a buddist majority are a small minority also because those countries have totalitarian non-religious governments or military juntas. In places like China, North Korea, Myanmar, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, the christians missionaries can be severely punished for being too zealous.

Christians in Hindu India are 2%. I wonder which violent acts of forced imposition a person like Mother Theresa could do.

Christians in muslim countries... ha ha, what a laugh. It is reported that in Iran, fearing enormous blacklash, catholic and orthodox priests are discouraging muslim people from converting to christianity, not to face harassment, hatred and police investigation.

where are those christians imposing their religion on "poor souls"?

"The Christian fanatics ( by the way I am a Christian) have forcefed their religion to so many innocent people and hence have the same bloody hands as the Islamic fanatics who take the Q'uran literally."

You're right, after all there are christians everywhere calling USA the great satan and chanting death to usa etc etc.

STill waiting for you to clarify your evident nonsense. If christianity was spread by blood all over the world we wouldn't have any muslim problem.

Do you fear that what you call "a fanatic christian" will be blowing himself up on a plane soon?

"Quite actually I would not want to count bodies, as far as any genocide is concerned, as the Christian (Western) World would probably be the single biggest Criminal here....."

and you'd be wrong, both in history and math, but you are already biased into your multi-culti mumbo-jumbo... that "all religions are the same".

If all religions are the same why don't you move to some islamic paradise?

If you drop down your poor knowledge of history and especially religious history you might take a minute to understand a very basic concept that is unknown to you. The main difference between the bible and the koran.

It's enough to look in any encyclopedia to read within the first lines that the bible is "written by men under the inspiration of god", while the koran "is the immutable and exact word of god".

Given those basics that you ignore to push your multi-culti-marxist agenda of "all religions are equally evil", it's easy to notice how the bible is NOT a book to be followed literally and when it was done it was done as a great mistake later acknowledged by the highest authority of the church.

On the contrary , no high authority of islam (if such a thing existed) ever confuted that even a word of the koran is NOT to be followed. Everything is sacred, true and immutable.

"I asked a respected Christian Theologist, what about People like Gandhi or others who live and lived their lives according to the highest moral and ethical standards?"

note to you. If, among your multi-culti-mumbo-jumbo you talk to a hindu from india, he will tell you that Ghandi was the biggest disgrace ever happened to india. He was one of the responsible of giving pakistan to muslims, washing away years and years of atrocities of the muslims committed against hindu.

"I asked a respected Christian Theologist, what about People like Gandhi or others who live and lived their lives according to the highest moral and ethical standards? Would they burn in hell too? And he looked at me and stated with a matter of fact manner:: " absolutely, as it is so written in the Bible"."

In your blatant hypocrisy I might ask you what happened if you asked a rabbi or a muslim cleric (laughter) or a hindu or a buddhist what happens to people of other faiths.

Your multi-culti relativism might be shocked in knowing that EVEN those people will tell you the same.

But you single out the christian religion for doing the same exact thing that all other religion do.

"My point is : Fanatics on all sides still take century old writings and apply them without any consideration of history or development of the human species word for word to the present. "

Still waiting to hear what was the latest public mass murder of a christian fanatic, or a buddhist fanatic

" If I look for revenge, no problem - AN EYE FOR AN EYE, if I look for a justification to dominate or eradicate another religion, no problem again, one must spread the gospel, and I could go on and on."

yes, you could go on and on, writing stuff like the one above. Especially when one fails to check the sentence as a whole. The passage indeed is one of the most dangerous for christianity because it's the one stating the concept of "turning the other cheeck".

You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:38-39)

So much for your "evil quote".

So if you committed violent act searching in the bible for justification you would find yourself empty handed.

"As with all writings, even the only 200 years old US Constitution or any law book, IT IS NOT THE BOOK - IT IS HOW YOU USE IT, HOW YOU READ IT AND HOW YOU INTERPRET IT AND TRANSLATE IT TO THE MODERN WORLD.

C O M M O N S E N S E !!!!!...

So everything is relative, nothing is real, everything is right but wrong as well, welcome to the multi-culti (socialist-communist) world where nothing is wrong and nothing is right, everything is bound to interpretation.

"Would they really approve that with the right to bear arms I now in the Year 2007 should walk around with a submachine gun? For heaven's sake - it was the Wild West, when this document was written."

I think you don't have the sufficient knowledge to re-consider what the founding fathers said. Anyway, feel free to open your door unarmed when the next jihadist will slaughter your family.

"We have in the USA alone a Billion Dollar legal industry of people doing nothing but looking for the loopholes in the present law. If the present law books, containing million of million of pages can not cover all eventualities of our modern life, how could we positively assume that some writer 2000 years ago was able to do it then, let alone foresee thousands of years?"

1) the western world is not composed only of USA. USA is a country, part of the western world. Not in every country there's this obsession with lawsuits.

2) some laws are taken from the ancient roman code, written before 2000 years ago, some other even from the code of hammurabi (1760 BC) so as you can see, it does happen that we look behind

"COMMON SENSE is, what was and is still missing in society.

While I haven't read the Q'uran in detail "

the only lacking common sense is the one that talks of things he has no clue about. Evidence is above.

"I guarantee you all, that within the Q'uran you will find somewhere the same basic ten commandmends as in the Bible. Don't kill steal or lie etc. Basic moral and ethical values. "

and you would guarantee a big fat lie. But multi culti people like yourself are like that. Educate yourself, avoiding imams, koranic schools and muslim apologists.

There is no moral and ethical value in following the example of what is believed to be the perfect man that sodomized a 9 year old girl, used to rob caravans, used to propose to tribes to convert, pay the tax or die.

"I have travelled the wonderful countries of Turkey and the middle east."

Have you asked turkish people why they are illegally occupying cyprus? Why also the mosques in the greek part of cyprus are well kept, while the churches in the turkish parts are falling to pieces because the turkish government doesn't allow repairing to infidels?

Have you asked turkish people why they believe turks are a superior race and should rule above everybody? just because their leader ataturk told them so?

Well, because of that they found no moral objection when they exterminated 6 million armenians or when they charged with property tax of 260% all the jews and christians in turkey. Native anatolians of jew and christian traditions were 3.5 million of population in 1918, nowadays they are 200,000. Did you ask to the wonderful people in turkey why it's so?

Maybe because being harassed, pushed away, over-charged with taxes, considered infidels, considered inferior wasn't a very pleasant thing?

That tax was not made in 900 AD, it was done in 1950, check "turkey capital tax"

also check this page where you can find all the historical facts you lack about the genocide performed by your beloved turks on armenians and greek populations

http://www.hr-action.org/thr/BjorgoWitte.htm

NOTE that tha page is written by someone that calls bush and blair war criminals, so their report is to be considered unbiased and not right-wing propaganda like you would easily say.

Also on other pages of that same site you will find links and links of incredible human rights violations of your beloved turkish people against those nasty christians and jews that would surely be responsible of something to receive genocide.

"I worked for over a year with a muslim owned company. Never have I experienced anything else than what I experienced in the homes of the former Soviet Union or the US or any European Country. Hospitality, peace, tolerance and friendship."

oooh, I smell a dhimmi. Google "dhimmi" and find out yourself what it means.

The muslims have found in you a very good useful idiot, someone willing to play the moral equivalence game they like to play so much.

I wonder if you were a woman, if the muslim people at your working enviroment would have treated you differently, or if you were openly gay or openly jew.

"85% of all Muslims are peaceful citizens with the same problems and worries as John Smith in Los Angeles or the 85% of all Christians. They all do not seek world domination or hate others, no matter what the Bible or the Q'uran says."

Ignorance is bliss. Go on sleeping.

"If we now allow this situation to escalate into a Holy War between Christianity and ISLAM, all we do is play into the hands of fanatics on either side."

when you're done with your relativist argument, explain to me, since you already believe christians and jew deserve to be killed by muslims, why the muslims murdered millions of jews and buddists, why the muslims are murdering 1200 buddhists in thailand? cutting the heads of buddhist shop owners? Why hindu women in muslim majority provinces are beaten too by muslims because they refuse to wear the veil (a practice that IS NOT A HINDU ONE BUT FORCED BY THE MUSLIMS)? Why peaceful muslims are killing animists in africa?

Why muslims cannot get along with ANY OTHER religion on earth?

"Lastly, reformation or interpretation of these ancient writings in a common sense manner must come on all sides and all religions from within."

since you are so cool and so friendly with muslims why don't you ask them if it's still ok for them to idolize a man that took a 6 year old as wife ...? Why don't you ask them if it's ok to idolize a man whose only job was to raid caravans, taking posession of what wasn't his ( = STEALING and ROBBING).

Then come back to us and tell what they said (if your peaceful muslim friend will let you come home alive).

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