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Circumstance Lost: Preparing for the Alternatives
Reader comment on item: Salvaging the Iraq War
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Submitted by M. Tovey (United States), Jul 31, 2007 at 12:29

Having read through a good deal of this particular discussion, and after re-assessing the scenario proposed by Mr. Pipes, there are three things (there are maybe more, but the more significant ones are suggested here) that have remained elusive as America still struggles with the idea proposed by the President of the United States of America, that a victory could be achieved with a little more effort.

Since the objective for which the war in Iraq was started has been obscured, and the secondary objectives are unobtainable under the current circumstances, the third proposition offered by Mr. Pipes, in spite of what this reader perceived as a need for a renewed political will, is actually unachievable under the prevailing circumstances as well, and there is history to suggest just that.

This reader had defended the United States position in entering this conflict initially for the somewhat patriotic stance of America being the injured party due to the September 11, 2001 provocation. Toppling the Afghanistani Taliban regime for harboring the militants that perpetrated 9-11, and then subsequently toppling the Baathist in Iraq regime for their supposed support and engagement of militants seeking to do further harm to American interests all seemed to be the thing to do. That there were subliminal reasons, such as political stability to protect market driven interests for Afghani and Iraqi resources being some of the alternate reasons proposed by some, were to be considered acceptable ancillary causes to be achieved, if the war could be won.

The primary objectives of removing the Taliban and Saddam Hussein were accomplished, but the aftermath in Afghanistan tells us this is not over, and the conditions in Iraq led to a specific speculation that when the vacuum left by the Coalition retreat is filled by the Islamic Revolution, it will be obvious just how badly this has backfired because of underestimating the resolve of an ideologically driven contest of wills.

The secondary objectives of achieving political stability to protect market driven interests for Afghani and Iraqi resources are, as mentioned before, unobtainable under the current circumstances without maintaining a significant military presence. Further, with the Iraqi government just recently failing to provide legislation to manage/share the revenue resources in equitable fashion, the fight for those resources remains as large as it ever was, and the question is asked, how many American/Coalition force lives are worth that?

This actually leads to the third situation, which is that suggested by Mr. Pipes, to maintain a military presence in order to achieve the stability originally sought after, but not be engaging the militants in urban warfare. The Soviets of history demonstrated the real way to engage in urban warfare, by the taking of Berlin. Street by street with artillery, they knocked down every hiding place from which the enemy returned fire, and used T-34's to crush a pathway to the Führer's bunker. The Coalition forces are compelled by decency not to do the very same thing that needs to be done to extricate the militants from their strongholds and, more insidiously, the safe houses of sympathetic Iraqi citizens. Hence, the pullout from the urban battlefield to a more battle friendly environment of the open desert seems like the solution to return this war to the comfort zone of superior military might.

But a more significant circumstance looms largely on the horizon, and it is connected by the American government doling out large amounts of American taxpayer dollars to potential participants in the Iraqi theater, whether political, or Coalition associated. This fuels speculation that a contingency plan is being put into place, but the evidence for that is very limited.

Further, in a very little while, the business of Syria and Lebanon with their border issues against Israel is about ready, within forty to sixty days or so, to retake the front pages of world attention and America will be pulled in for the defense of Israel. What do we do then about Iraq? For by then, Iran will have responded to the monies being sent to their enemies and very likely will consolidate the power to complete their infiltration of Iraqi politics and have control of the Iraqi military. The potential for that is seen in Americans trying out negotiations with the Iranian delegation to forestall that very thing.

The lesson lost in these times of modern theater warfare is one of sublime significance. Wars that are limited by defined scopes of engagement only produce truces, if that, especially where ideologies are at stake. See Yugoslavia. Only when one combatant entity is willing to engage all resources to crush the enemy resolve in overwhelming fashion, which is what is really needed against ideologically driven terrorism, is there to be victory. Is there that kind of resolve left in America? Listening to the political haranguing for the 2008 presidential bid and the bi-partisan calls for retreat (only in semantics do we call it withdrawal), we must conclude that no, there is no such resolve outside the White House. But after the elections in 2009, it will not be there either when America and the future of democracy will be needing it the most.

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Iraq War. [81 words]Holly HMar 24, 2009 15:33
I think an internal redeployment in Iraq is a good but inadequate step [218 words]Charles MartelAug 27, 2007 18:06
Criminal Incompetence [132 words]Jean de la ValletteAug 29, 2007 13:36
ingredient for lasting peace in Iraq [225 words]jennifer solisAug 22, 2007 14:58
Reply to Ms. Solis' comments [304 words]Roger W. GardnerAug 22, 2007 21:34
knowledge vs. opinion [486 words]jennifer SolisAug 23, 2007 18:54
Response to Ms. Solis' comments [300 words]Roger W. GardnerAug 24, 2007 17:31
unconditional surrender [226 words]jennifer solisAug 24, 2007 18:53
Reply to Ms. Solis' comments [497 words]Roger W. GardnerAug 26, 2007 18:48
the pleasure is mine [102 words]jennifer solisAug 28, 2007 15:28
Bush won all the battles, and lost the war. [181 words]SheerahkahnAug 15, 2007 15:47
Re: Salvaging the Iraqi War [45 words]Paul B. RossAug 8, 2007 09:11
Iraq's not ready for national democracy, but local control and democracy is possible [214 words]JabbaTheTuttAug 6, 2007 08:41
Daniel Pipes for President! [199 words]Archimedes2Aug 2, 2007 00:20
Plans evolve from great minds like D.P. [182 words]infosifterJul 31, 2007 23:18
You fight to win not appease [413 words]guy leven-torres (agricola)Aug 3, 2007 17:59
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Re-Deploy Troops to Iraq Borders [151 words]RobJul 31, 2007 06:35
Iraq and what to do about it [394 words]AyashaJul 30, 2007 15:12
The Battle of Iraq and the Clash of Civilizations [359 words]Roger W. GardnerJul 29, 2007 16:31
The Battle of Iraq and the Clash of Civilizations - Correct [143 words]J SharpeJul 29, 2007 21:15
Gardner's comments [52 words]Gale ShawJul 30, 2007 15:11
Can Islam [215 words]donvanAug 1, 2007 15:10
Clash of Civilizations: A self-fulfilling Prophecy [287 words]JeeshanAug 2, 2007 04:26
Silence of Moderate Muslims is Losing its Appeal [158 words]SSAug 6, 2007 02:09
Dangerous Minds [306 words]JeeshanAug 13, 2007 11:34
Response to SS: "Silence of the moderate Muslims..." [264 words]Roger W. GardnerAug 19, 2007 23:01
RE: Salvaging the Iraq War [22 words]Len PeracchioAug 31, 2007 13:42
US-Led Forces Out Of The Region [238 words]Jahanshah RashidianJul 29, 2007 03:58
⇒ Circumstance Lost: Preparing for the Alternatives [859 words]M. ToveyJul 31, 2007 12:29
short term vs long term [92 words]AndrewJul 28, 2007 17:54
Re: "Salvaging the Iraq War" [163 words]BradJul 28, 2007 15:35
The Arab Mind and Culture [322 words]James FittzJul 28, 2007 14:04
Who is Fawas A. Gerges? [141 words]JabbaTheTuttAug 6, 2007 08:55
Oh, God, When Will It End? [211 words]MonkJul 26, 2007 20:35
back up... [35 words]donvanAug 2, 2007 10:17
Still no easy task [153 words]Omar MahmoudJul 26, 2007 14:23
I'm not sure this would work [47 words]EagleJimJul 26, 2007 13:52
US failure based on denial of Iraq's sectarian facts on the ground [370 words]Michael GreenJul 26, 2007 11:54
Seek support for this [189 words]BosJul 26, 2007 07:23
One hand tied between our backs [145 words]David W. LincolnJul 25, 2007 15:26
A creative new solution to solve the Iraq problem. [127 words]Haim BelisowskiJul 25, 2007 14:10
What a Mess! [140 words]BlackspeareJul 25, 2007 13:47
pre-arab mesopotamia [47 words]G.VishvasJul 26, 2007 06:37
Reply to Blackspeare- One problem [876 words]Chris G.Jul 26, 2007 11:32
Reply to Chris G. [122 words]BlackspeareJul 27, 2007 12:25
Divide Iraq along traditional ethnic and religious lines! US and allies should referee process. [371 words]William BryanJul 25, 2007 13:32
Is it really that simple? [308 words]PatJul 25, 2007 19:55
Is it really that simple? Ans: Yes! [489 words]William BryanJul 27, 2007 13:17
William: Well Excuse ME [124 words]PatJul 27, 2007 21:30
A figure of speech but... [78 words]GanJul 25, 2007 09:01
A Workable Strategy? [64 words]LDCJul 25, 2007 08:18
Salvaging the war not the final solution [296 words]PlatoJul 25, 2007 06:49
Pato- good but not excellent analysis. [216 words]Mary BushongJul 25, 2007 22:28
Redeploy specifically or primarily to KURDISTAN [1011 words]Ron ThompsonJul 24, 2007 21:13
More reasns to redeploy specifically or primarily to KURDISTAN [259 words]Frans GroenendijkJul 25, 2007 20:11
Kurdistan as a stronghold [179 words]Marc JorisJul 27, 2007 04:19
Kudos! [10 words]Seth GinsburgJul 24, 2007 20:23
Iraq war compromise--still possible success [54 words]Morton ReitmanJul 24, 2007 19:57
I Agree [57 words]John RJul 24, 2007 19:51
The Iraq War Article [479 words]Eleanor GoldsteinJul 24, 2007 18:56
Salvaging the Iraq War [281 words]Philip SnyderJul 24, 2007 22:50
crystal clarity [29 words]david eisenbergJul 24, 2007 18:51
Now this is... [12 words]LDCJul 25, 2007 08:20
Like the Board Game Risk [194 words]SSJul 24, 2007 18:29
Building houses on a swamp [160 words]DimitriJul 24, 2007 17:06
Not only sand... [36 words]GodotJul 25, 2007 11:31
oil and strategy [145 words]DimitriJul 25, 2007 16:11
Military Strength Requires Political Resolve - From ALL [939 words]M. ToveyJul 24, 2007 16:38
good suggestion [32 words]DarrenJul 24, 2007 16:20
Iraq's problem is really an internal Islamic Conflict [183 words]David GoshenJul 24, 2007 16:02
Strongly Disagree on Iraqi Reluctance to Jointly See the War Through to Victory
[w/response] [124 words]
Nancy BeutelJul 24, 2007 15:36
What does "Victory" mean in Iraq? [289 words]Charles MartelAug 29, 2007 11:27
Time to Change America's Paper Tiger Foreign/Military Policy [178 words]Ron KurtzJul 24, 2007 15:12
The coalition gave Iraqis a fresh start. Now it's their turn. [527 words]PatJul 24, 2007 14:15
Staying Put [192 words]Rebecca MouldsJul 24, 2007 13:46
article [74 words]SteveJul 24, 2007 13:31
After redeployment, what? [98 words]Robert CohanJul 24, 2007 13:21
pull the plug. [87 words]donvanJul 24, 2007 15:45
Iraqis must be responsbile [93 words]Coyote UglyJul 24, 2007 13:14
Pakistan should have been the target and not Iraq [280 words]dhimmi no moreJul 24, 2007 13:09
About statesmanship [99 words]G.VishvasJul 25, 2007 12:56
President Bush is "visionary" and Wisonian [179 words]Steve KleinJul 24, 2007 13:06
to Steve Klein - on the money [439 words]rickJul 24, 2007 15:58
I don't remember that Pipes article, but good on him! [87 words]Charles MartelAug 27, 2007 18:11
More than just semantics [190 words]GodotJul 24, 2007 13:04
Salvaging the Iraq war [92 words]Colonel B.J,. FinestoneJul 24, 2007 12:55
Iraq [66 words]Ron RotemJul 24, 2007 12:54
Destination Iraq [73 words]RobertJul 24, 2007 12:49
How to save Iraq [275 words]RickJul 24, 2007 12:31
coming from someone who's been there four times.... [202 words]ahmazafireJul 28, 2007 15:18
to ahmazafire [458 words]RickJul 30, 2007 14:49
The futility of peacemaking and democratization in the Middle East [234 words]Kenneth S. BesigJul 24, 2007 11:53
There are no Palestinians [258 words]yuval brandstetter MDJul 27, 2007 04:30
But then what? [51 words]John LothJul 24, 2007 11:49
diminished vision [74 words]Leo SolomonJul 24, 2007 11:41
Build a fence [88 words]LindaKJul 24, 2007 11:21
A fence is not a solution...at least for Iraq [30 words]GodotJul 24, 2007 16:08
No fence? [106 words]LindaKJul 24, 2007 19:29
There are known unknowns and ...(without permission from D. Rumsfield) [87 words]GodotJul 25, 2007 14:04
There are known unknowns and ...(without permission from D. Rumsfield) [140 words]LindaKJul 25, 2007 14:47
US should redeploy its troops at ..... [89 words]DaraJul 24, 2007 11:14
If we follow your recommendation, what happens if the Iraq erupts into civil war? [58 words]Robert ArbetmanJul 24, 2007 10:46
The American [138 words]donvanJul 26, 2007 12:50
What about The American? [285 words]PatJul 27, 2007 15:54
Novis Ordo.. [213 words]DONVANJul 31, 2007 09:04

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