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Reader comment on item: Salvaging the Iraq War
in response to reader comment: Reply to Ms. Solis' comments

Submitted by jennifer Solis (United States), Aug 23, 2007 at 18:54

How much does the average American know about the religion of Islam?

Do they know that the Qu'ran is the Islamic "bible"? That Islam is the world's second largest religion? That in the Qu'ran the most assured way of going to "heaven" is to kill a Christian or a Jew? That in the Qu'ran you're commanded to lie? That in the Qu'ran you're instructed to "kill the infidel (anyone not of Islamic faith) wherever you find him"? All this is permitted in "times of jihad" (translated "my struggle, my fight". Ominously, the title of Hitler's book, "mien Kaumpf ", translates the same.).

Since 632 AD, the Qu'ran has been the Muslim's bible. There is no other. I appreciate Mr. Gardner's views in "The Battle of Iraq and the Clash of Civilizations". The truth is sad but the truth is this: a religion, second largest in the world, outrageously and graphically violent since it's inception, was sleeping for a couple of centuries; now, since Munich, it's raised it's ugly head.......Americans know about 9-11. Do they realize the vast majority of "peaceful" Muslims turn a blind eye toward their Muslim brothers planning "jihad"?

I agree that Iraq is the main Theater in the war. Strategically we would be fools to give it up. But trying to introduce a Democracy to a culture that is blind, has been blind for over a thousand years due to a dictatorial, violent religion is truly folly. Muslims born in Afganistan who realize this have left; Muslims born in Irac who realize this have left. Recently the "President" of Iraq and his cabinet announced their intention of going on a three-month vacation. Of course the American advisors quickly "hushed" that idea..........I had a hunch when I heard it that the new heads of the government of Iraq wanted to "get the hell out of dodge" while they could.

I found Mr.Gardner's letter to be observant -- "until this hateful and backward culture is thoughly destroyed or utterly dominated........" Question: how will this culture be dominated? What kind of domination has brought a period of peace to the Middle East before? Therein lies the answer. Removing our troops to the deserts and borders as Mr.Pipes suggests will force the Iraqis to step up. Force is something that is in the Iraqi's mental vocabulary. Whomever rises to power in Iraq, if he doesn't cooperate with American forces, blow him up. Really. Then whomever rises again to power, again, if he does'nt cooperate with American forces, blow him up. The Iraqis aren't mentally retarded; soon they'll catch on that they're being FORCED to cooperate with American forces. Let them have a "Theocracy". And, once again, let us be the "strong horse" in the war. -JS

Note: since the Kurds are the only ones who have proven the ability to self-govern, I would remove our forces also to the north to provide extra protection for the Kurds.


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Iraq War. [81 words]Holly HMar 24, 2009 15:33
I think an internal redeployment in Iraq is a good but inadequate step [218 words]Charles MartelAug 27, 2007 18:06
Criminal Incompetence [132 words]Jean de la ValletteAug 29, 2007 13:36
ingredient for lasting peace in Iraq [225 words]jennifer solisAug 22, 2007 14:58
Reply to Ms. Solis' comments [304 words]Roger W. GardnerAug 22, 2007 21:34
⇒ knowledge vs. opinion [486 words]jennifer SolisAug 23, 2007 18:54
Response to Ms. Solis' comments [300 words]Roger W. GardnerAug 24, 2007 17:31
unconditional surrender [226 words]jennifer solisAug 24, 2007 18:53
Reply to Ms. Solis' comments [497 words]Roger W. GardnerAug 26, 2007 18:48
the pleasure is mine [102 words]jennifer solisAug 28, 2007 15:28
Bush won all the battles, and lost the war. [181 words]SheerahkahnAug 15, 2007 15:47
Re: Salvaging the Iraqi War [45 words]Paul B. RossAug 8, 2007 09:11
Iraq's not ready for national democracy, but local control and democracy is possible [214 words]JabbaTheTuttAug 6, 2007 08:41
Daniel Pipes for President! [199 words]Archimedes2Aug 2, 2007 00:20
Plans evolve from great minds like D.P. [182 words]infosifterJul 31, 2007 23:18
You fight to win not appease [413 words]guy leven-torres (agricola)Aug 3, 2007 17:59
Iraq: Pandora's box or Pyrrhic Victory? [574 words]Guy Leven-TorresJul 31, 2007 10:42
Re-Deploy Troops to Iraq Borders [151 words]RobJul 31, 2007 06:35
Iraq and what to do about it [394 words]AyashaJul 30, 2007 15:12
The Battle of Iraq and the Clash of Civilizations [359 words]Roger W. GardnerJul 29, 2007 16:31
The Battle of Iraq and the Clash of Civilizations - Correct [143 words]J SharpeJul 29, 2007 21:15
Gardner's comments [52 words]Gale ShawJul 30, 2007 15:11
Can Islam [215 words]donvanAug 1, 2007 15:10
Clash of Civilizations: A self-fulfilling Prophecy [287 words]JeeshanAug 2, 2007 04:26
Silence of Moderate Muslims is Losing its Appeal [158 words]SSAug 6, 2007 02:09
Dangerous Minds [306 words]JeeshanAug 13, 2007 11:34
Response to SS: "Silence of the moderate Muslims..." [264 words]Roger W. GardnerAug 19, 2007 23:01
RE: Salvaging the Iraq War [22 words]Len PeracchioAug 31, 2007 13:42
US-Led Forces Out Of The Region [238 words]Jahanshah RashidianJul 29, 2007 03:58
Circumstance Lost: Preparing for the Alternatives [859 words]M. ToveyJul 31, 2007 12:29
short term vs long term [92 words]AndrewJul 28, 2007 17:54
Re: "Salvaging the Iraq War" [163 words]BradJul 28, 2007 15:35
The Arab Mind and Culture [322 words]James FittzJul 28, 2007 14:04
Who is Fawas A. Gerges? [141 words]JabbaTheTuttAug 6, 2007 08:55
Oh, God, When Will It End? [211 words]MonkJul 26, 2007 20:35
back up... [35 words]donvanAug 2, 2007 10:17
Still no easy task [153 words]Omar MahmoudJul 26, 2007 14:23
I'm not sure this would work [47 words]EagleJimJul 26, 2007 13:52
US failure based on denial of Iraq's sectarian facts on the ground [370 words]Michael GreenJul 26, 2007 11:54
Seek support for this [189 words]BosJul 26, 2007 07:23
One hand tied between our backs [145 words]David W. LincolnJul 25, 2007 15:26
A creative new solution to solve the Iraq problem. [127 words]Haim BelisowskiJul 25, 2007 14:10
What a Mess! [140 words]BlackspeareJul 25, 2007 13:47
pre-arab mesopotamia [47 words]G.VishvasJul 26, 2007 06:37
Reply to Blackspeare- One problem [876 words]Chris G.Jul 26, 2007 11:32
Reply to Chris G. [122 words]BlackspeareJul 27, 2007 12:25
Divide Iraq along traditional ethnic and religious lines! US and allies should referee process. [371 words]William BryanJul 25, 2007 13:32
Is it really that simple? [308 words]PatJul 25, 2007 19:55
Is it really that simple? Ans: Yes! [489 words]William BryanJul 27, 2007 13:17
William: Well Excuse ME [124 words]PatJul 27, 2007 21:30
A figure of speech but... [78 words]GanJul 25, 2007 09:01
A Workable Strategy? [64 words]LDCJul 25, 2007 08:18
Salvaging the war not the final solution [296 words]PlatoJul 25, 2007 06:49
Pato- good but not excellent analysis. [216 words]Mary BushongJul 25, 2007 22:28
Redeploy specifically or primarily to KURDISTAN [1011 words]Ron ThompsonJul 24, 2007 21:13
More reasns to redeploy specifically or primarily to KURDISTAN [259 words]Frans GroenendijkJul 25, 2007 20:11
Kurdistan as a stronghold [179 words]Marc JorisJul 27, 2007 04:19
Kudos! [10 words]Seth GinsburgJul 24, 2007 20:23
Iraq war compromise--still possible success [54 words]Morton ReitmanJul 24, 2007 19:57
I Agree [57 words]John RJul 24, 2007 19:51
The Iraq War Article [479 words]Eleanor GoldsteinJul 24, 2007 18:56
Salvaging the Iraq War [281 words]Philip SnyderJul 24, 2007 22:50
crystal clarity [29 words]david eisenbergJul 24, 2007 18:51
Now this is... [12 words]LDCJul 25, 2007 08:20
Like the Board Game Risk [194 words]SSJul 24, 2007 18:29
Building houses on a swamp [160 words]DimitriJul 24, 2007 17:06
Not only sand... [36 words]GodotJul 25, 2007 11:31
oil and strategy [145 words]DimitriJul 25, 2007 16:11
Military Strength Requires Political Resolve - From ALL [939 words]M. ToveyJul 24, 2007 16:38
good suggestion [32 words]DarrenJul 24, 2007 16:20
Iraq's problem is really an internal Islamic Conflict [183 words]David GoshenJul 24, 2007 16:02
Strongly Disagree on Iraqi Reluctance to Jointly See the War Through to Victory
[w/response] [124 words]
Nancy BeutelJul 24, 2007 15:36
What does "Victory" mean in Iraq? [289 words]Charles MartelAug 29, 2007 11:27
Time to Change America's Paper Tiger Foreign/Military Policy [178 words]Ron KurtzJul 24, 2007 15:12
The coalition gave Iraqis a fresh start. Now it's their turn. [527 words]PatJul 24, 2007 14:15
Staying Put [192 words]Rebecca MouldsJul 24, 2007 13:46
article [74 words]SteveJul 24, 2007 13:31
After redeployment, what? [98 words]Robert CohanJul 24, 2007 13:21
pull the plug. [87 words]donvanJul 24, 2007 15:45
Iraqis must be responsbile [93 words]Coyote UglyJul 24, 2007 13:14
Pakistan should have been the target and not Iraq [280 words]dhimmi no moreJul 24, 2007 13:09
About statesmanship [99 words]G.VishvasJul 25, 2007 12:56
President Bush is "visionary" and Wisonian [179 words]Steve KleinJul 24, 2007 13:06
to Steve Klein - on the money [439 words]rickJul 24, 2007 15:58
I don't remember that Pipes article, but good on him! [87 words]Charles MartelAug 27, 2007 18:11
More than just semantics [190 words]GodotJul 24, 2007 13:04
Salvaging the Iraq war [92 words]Colonel B.J,. FinestoneJul 24, 2007 12:55
Iraq [66 words]Ron RotemJul 24, 2007 12:54
Destination Iraq [73 words]RobertJul 24, 2007 12:49
How to save Iraq [275 words]RickJul 24, 2007 12:31
coming from someone who's been there four times.... [202 words]ahmazafireJul 28, 2007 15:18
to ahmazafire [458 words]RickJul 30, 2007 14:49
The futility of peacemaking and democratization in the Middle East [234 words]Kenneth S. BesigJul 24, 2007 11:53
There are no Palestinians [258 words]yuval brandstetter MDJul 27, 2007 04:30
But then what? [51 words]John LothJul 24, 2007 11:49
diminished vision [74 words]Leo SolomonJul 24, 2007 11:41
Build a fence [88 words]LindaKJul 24, 2007 11:21
A fence is not a solution...at least for Iraq [30 words]GodotJul 24, 2007 16:08
No fence? [106 words]LindaKJul 24, 2007 19:29
There are known unknowns and ...(without permission from D. Rumsfield) [87 words]GodotJul 25, 2007 14:04
There are known unknowns and ...(without permission from D. Rumsfield) [140 words]LindaKJul 25, 2007 14:47
US should redeploy its troops at ..... [89 words]DaraJul 24, 2007 11:14
If we follow your recommendation, what happens if the Iraq erupts into civil war? [58 words]Robert ArbetmanJul 24, 2007 10:46
The American [138 words]donvanJul 26, 2007 12:50
What about The American? [285 words]PatJul 27, 2007 15:54
Novis Ordo.. [213 words]DONVANJul 31, 2007 09:04

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