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in response to reader comment: Our dear Deb and now he switches gears from the Gospel of Barnabas to the Arab invasion and the muslim crusades. The long version. For the readers: read and enjoy

Submitted by Debanjan Banerjee (India), Feb 1, 2010 at 05:19

Hi Dear DNM,

As per as crusades are concerned , see there is no proof to suggest that Christians invaded the Muslims to push them back. Remember the Christians almost destroyed the whole Jewish population in Jerusalem during the first crusade. Genocides against Jews during crusades was the norm at the time.

Now my question to you is if the Christians were doing the Crusade to push back the Arabs from the Middle East then why they did butcher all those Jews ?

Another point regarding the crusades. During the first crusade the whole non-Christian population in Jerusalem (that included Jews,Muslims as well as Orthodox Christians) were slaughtered by the Crussaders. Now compare the following :

The so-called "civilized" western Christians slaughtered all those Jews and Orthodox Christians during the first crussade. Muslims led by Saladin during their liberation of Jerusalem some 80 years later the first crusade not only spared all the Christians in the city but they allowed all the Christian pilgrims to come to the city.

Now tell me who is more civilized ? The crusaders or Muslims ?

you are contradicting yourself on the point of why Mongols emraced Islam after they had conquered the Arabs .

"I'm going to help you here: historians tell us that if the barbarian invade the land of the civilized the barbarian will speak and adopt the language of the civilized and this is why the Mongols that stayed in the Middle East became Muslim and Arabs and those what moved back east took islam with them now do you get it?"

See throughout our debate you are saying that Arabs and Muslims in general are barbaric creatures. But here you are admitting that they were civilized that is why the barbaric Mongols embraced their fatih. So it is clear you are having double standards.

On the issue regarding Gospel of Barnabas , I would say that if you are not interested in discussing the French colonial rule's faliure to change the Muslims in al-Maghrib then I am also not interested in discussing with you anything regarding the Gospel of Barnabas.

As per as Islamic conquest of the much of the Middle East during the midddle ages is concerned see Egypt was under brutal bygantine rule and you must accept the religious persecution of the copts under the Byzantine rule was far far greater than they have endured under Muslim rule. And I must tell you the Muslims allowed the copts to practise their religion even throughout the Islamic rule of Egypt.

You must also share with the readers that copts periodically revolted against the byznatine rule and everytime they were crushed by the byzantines with great cruelty.

Regarding Jerusalem , I want to share with the readers here that the Jews were forbidden to live in Jerusalem by the Byzantine rulers. The Jews were only allowed to return back to Jerusalem after Jerusalem was liberated by Caliph Omar. I hope this will enlighten you Mr DNM.

As per as Islam in India is concerned I am not going to go into detail about the spread of Islamic faith in India since that will take a huge amount of time. Just want to tell you that before and after the Muslims many foreign invaders conquered in India and after that they vanished form the page of history. But Islam has maintained a dynamic role in the heart of the Indians. Had Islam only slaughtered the people like you mentioned in India it would long have been wiped out. Now tell me why a faith that according to you slaughtered millions in India then why it still survives ?

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