3 readers online now  |  69 million page views

To Mansoor: About dogs, rabies and jihad

Reader comment on item: Resisting Islamic Law
in response to reader comment: Clarity of mind

Submitted by Plato (India), Feb 26, 2008 at 21:25

Mansoor you wrote:

>>…. Allah says that he has created life and death to judge who is going for better deeds.<<

You are admitting that Allah is not as knowledgeable as He claims to be. If He already knows all that that the future holds including how you or me will behave why does He have to wait for us to think and act to know who "is going for better deeds"? How does Islamic logic answer this little problem?

>> We have been given a great sense which other creations are not given, the sense to differentiate between right an wrong, clean and dirt, good and bad etc.<<

If we have been given a "great sense" of what is right and wrong etc. then why did Allah keep sending messengers to preach to us? Again you are demonstrating Allah's powerlessness. You are telling us that the "great sense" He has given us is worthless, His powers of creation could not really give us any "great sense".

>>This is just because we are depending too much on ourselves and boasting and believing that we are in control of every thing now.<<

Who says that we, the unbelievers, boast and believe that we are in control of everything? This is mullah-speak. When mullahs see unbelievers gaining more and more control over nature they see Allah fading away and so keep telling gullible believers that Allah is firmly in control. Obviously Allah is not in control otherwise people who are His followers would not live miserable lives in countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Saudi Arabia……

We have to depend on ourselves because Allah has given laws, advice and science that no one, not even in Muslim majority countries, is able to follow. The laws allow chopping off limbs and stoning to death for minor offences. His eternal advice includes keeping a low voice in front of Muhammad and carrying gifts to him when going to meet him. How can Muslims follow that advice now, Mansoor? If you follow Allah's science then you will have to believe that the sun and moon are in orbit around the earth, that we were created from clay, dust, water etc., that shooting stars are missiles to drive away the devil.

In Pakistan do you still teach your children this Islamic science, Mansoor?

>>In fact it is the biggest mistake a human is making, If we had the control so ultimate then we would have easily brought back the dead, we would have easily controlled the diseases spreading around us. We would have easily controlled AIDs, Cancer etc<<

Humans are on the verge of creating artificial life:

"Scientists in Maryland have already built the world's first entirely handcrafted chromosome -- a large looping strand of DNA made from scratch in a laboratory, containing all the instructions a microbe needs to live and reproduce.

In the coming year, they hope to transplant it into a cell, where it is expected to "boot itself up," like software downloaded from the Internet, and cajole the waiting cell to do its bidding. And while the first synthetic chromosome is a plagiarized version of a natural one, others that code for life forms that have never existed before are already under construction.

The cobbling together of life from synthetic DNA, scientists and philosophers agree, will be a watershed event, blurring the line between biological and artificial -- and forcing a rethinking of what it means for a thing to be alive. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wpdyn/content/article/2007/12/16/AR2007121601900_pf.html)

A team of 17 researchers at the J. Craig Venter Institute (JCVI) has created the largest man-made DNA structure by synthesizing and assembling the 582,970 base pair genome of a bacterium, Mycoplasma genitalium JCVI-1.0.

This work, published online in the journal Science by Dan Gibson, Ph.D., et al, is the second of three key steps toward the team's goal of creating a fully synthetic organism. In the next step, which is ongoing at the JCVI, the team will attempt to create a living bacterial cell based entirely on the synthetically made genome. (http://www.astrobio.net/news/article2598.html)"

Mansoor, if humans can create life how long before we can bring the dead back to life. And which is a greater achievement, creating life or re-generating it? You believe that Allah created life despite His nonsense science of sperm arising near the backbone:

086.005 -007 YUSUFALI: Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted- Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:

Allah had also inflicted humans with small-pox, polio, plague, etc. Where are they now? We wiped out those diseases that Allah had created to trouble us. Are you willing to wager that Allah-given AIDS and cancer will not be conquered by humans (particularly by those of us who are polytheists, atheists, and polytheists)?

>> We must accept that till now what we have achieved is too minimal and too limited.<<

Mansoor don't confuse Muslim achievements with that of infidels. Non-Muslims have substantial achievements. This internet you are using is non-Muslim. The medicines that cure you are mostly infidel. The harnessing of Nature's (not Allah's) powers are infidel. That we can look into the far reaches of space and into the depths of the atom are infidel achievements.

>>It is very easy by words to challenge God's system and claiming it to be unjust, but you can not prove it anyway.<<

Allah's system is not unjust? You want proof? Go to the nearest hospital in your town and visit the children's ward to learn how unjust your Allah is. Now come back and tell us that you saw smiling happy faces. Visit the cancer ward in that hospital and see lumps of flesh contorted with the pain and anguish that Allah has inflicted on them and their families. You are right Mansoor, it is "very easy by words to challenge Allah's system".

>> Dogs and Pigs are prohibited and only for our own sake, if we don't accept it then its our own fault. <<

Dogs are helpful, faithful, affectionate creatures. Pigs are a very important source of food in a starving world. Why should we accept a prohibition that goes against all good sense? We are unwilling to use Islamic logic to deprive ourselves of the good things Nature has provided us.

>> Allah's Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) did his duty by conveying message of Allah it is only up to us how serious we take it.<<

I have shown you how silly the messages and commands of Allah are. Don't expect us to take them seriously.

>>People tend to drag discussion to a totally different direction and considering dogs becoming so important and being part of armies and police force. Yes I accept their qualities are exceptional but I talked only in the light of how to handle these animals ensuring your personal safety according to the guidelines provided by your own creator.<<

Islamic logic once again. You accept the exceptional qualities of dogs which include being protective of humans. Those qualities were given to them by the Almighty Allah. What was the purpose in giving those exceptional qualities to dogs and why did He spoil it all by giving them bad saliva? Millions of people keep dogs for their personal safety unworried about their saliva. The all-knowing Allah's guidelines sound ridiculous under the circumstances.

Humans of the Islamic variety, with their belts of explosives, are more dangerous than dog saliva. Living in Pakistan you should know. There are body parts scattered across the whole map of your country to prove it. Which is the more dangerous virus, the rabies in dog saliva or the Islamic one in the heads of some Muslims? Rabies is preventable . The Islamic virus has the scientific name IX:111 and has as yet no anti-dote. You can easily check it out in any version of the Koran you wish to refer.

Regards

Plato

Submitting....

Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".

Comment on this item

Mark my comment as a response to To Mansoor: About dogs, rabies and jihad by Plato

Email me if someone replies to my comment

Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".

See recent outstanding comments.

Follow Daniel Pipes

Facebook   Twitter   RSS   Join Mailing List
eXTReMe Tracker

All materials by Daniel Pipes on this site: © 1968-2020 Daniel Pipes. daniel.pipes@gmail.com and @DanielPipes

Support Daniel Pipes' work with a tax-deductible donation to the Middle East Forum.Daniel J. Pipes

(The MEF is a publicly supported, nonprofit organization under section 501(c)3 of the Internal Revenue Code.

Contributions are tax deductible to the full extent allowed by law. Tax-ID 23-774-9796, approved Apr. 27, 1998.

For more information, view our IRS letter of determination.)