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Syed Mohammed Ali: Let us run through the matter of Safiya's choice again

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Submitted by Plato (India), Mar 22, 2008 at 05:05

Syed Mohammed Ali, you wrote:

>>what choice you are talking about? so much devastation on the family ..of safiyan as written in ibn ishaq and translated by gualimme ..right .,..lol ...so a person who have nothing to lose and still love a person spend her whole life with the man,<<

That is what I am asking, Syed, what choice did Safiya have. Why are you repeating the question. She was a captive slave girl, her husband and many family were killed, the women and children taken as slaves and distributed among the Muslims. A lonely, frightened, terrorised teenaged girl is asked to marry or forced to marry the person responsible for the tragedy in her young life. Has any sira talked about the choice she was given to reject this marriage, a marriage against the Islamic law of having to wait for the iddat period to be over?

Nothing to lose?? Was she a corpse already? She was alive wasn't she? Quote me one hadith that shows the love of Safiya for the prophet. If one such exists then you deserve her as another mother of believers. She had to spend her whole life with the prophet as did the slave Maria, and captives Rehana and Juwairiya, she had no choice.

>> who is according to ...you murder her family and yet she stays loyal because her name comes in faithful...and her name come with respect ...<<

Which hadith tells you that she was loyal. What choice was she given. If a woman willingly marries the man who had her husband tortured and killed along with other family the day after the massacre what kind woman would you say she is.?? If you think she did right then you deserve such women as ‘mothers of believers'.

>>lol if she was not loyal and honest, than her name wouldnt come with respect ...<<

Syed Mohammed Ali, you are saying that you are capable of respecting a woman who even before the bodies of her tortured husband and family had cooled transferred her loyalty to the person responsible for devastating her life. What is there you find to respect in such a woman. Unbelievers like me would be revolted by such an act.

>>and for me ..if she stays with prophet ...that means she doesnt regret what happened to her family .<<

Read my comment above again. Staying with the prophet does not mean she did not regret what she did. It just means she had no choice. Your conclusion is faulty.

>> so mr plato, i have tell many thing about, as i said prophets are human beings but god comes from a dirty place still consider a god ...that is a shame for me ...<<

Syed Mohammed Ali, you have not explained why you consider the delivery end of the birth canal to be dirty. Please explain to us how a place from which Allah Himself chose to have innocent, sinless little things enter the world can be considered dirty.

>>…whoever come from female vagina and call himself a god is a crossdresser and a liar ...lol..<<

Why is someone who comes out of the same place and calls himself a prophet also not considered a crossdresser and a liar? Is cross dressing also something dirty?

>> regarding my prophet he is rehmat ul alameen all your allegations have nothing for me the example of safiyan ...is going in drain she spend her life ,with respect and dignity and her name comes among the faithful that means she was loyal and honest to prophet and died as a muslim .<<

You have repeated yourself. Read my comments above.

>> now give me your answer, a person who kill your whole family and tribe ...you stay with him loyalty honesty and love ...what you make it ? lol..<<

You are again repeating yourself. I will repeat my answer in different words. Imagine yourself in the place of Kinana bin Rabi. Allah has sent you to hell at the hands of his prophet. Allah lets you watch to further torture you what his favourite prophet does to your wife the day after you died screaming. And shockingly you see her cosy up to the one who destroyed you and declare her love and affection for him and his people. Would you laugh out loud along with your screams in hell or would you think that being in hell is better than having to grow old with the woman you thought loved you? An honest answer, please, Syed Mohammed Ali.

>> as i said of aiesha 's age ...when her parents agreed for marriage with prophet, then no one should have problem because no one above the parents ,,,,and no one takes place of her parents...lol now you hide your face <<

This means the prophet is like any old Arab who comes to India, you know the story, you are Indian, and parents here have their little girls married off to them for a small bride price. No one should question it? You said the prophet is ‘rehmat ul alameen'. Wasn't he expected to set standards for all people for all time. Aisha's parents were ordinary human beings. But Muhammad was the apostle of Allah, how could he set such a bad example? Or had you forgotten he was a prophet of Allah.

Yes I do hide my face in shame when I read stories such as that of Safiya and Aisha. We all should.

>>,,,,other thing is that for me whoever born from a vagin and claim himself a god a is a liar and cross dresser ,.....<<

Another repetition. Read my comments above.

Regards

Plato

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