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in response to reader comment: here is a reply to you - Don't step on its toes

Submitted by The Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Jun 1, 2008 at 03:07

STS - let's apply a bit more rigour to your arguments

"You are full of American and Western Media"

not really, we use the media to become informed - media which covers incidents all over the world - even in Muslim countries - such as this one for example"http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7426980.stm

Why don't you be honest and admit that you don't like the other face of 'the religion of peace' exposed.

"And how Islam did not evolve?, how do you know?" - we use our eyes. And listen to what its adherents say. Some say 'Islam is unchanging', the Koran can't change etc etc. You seem to disagree with this - so yours is yet another viewpoint. We also see such things as muslim women even those living in western countries amongst the Kuffar in the middle of summer covered heard to toe in black burkahs and veils etc. This hasn't changed much in the intervening 1300 years - so we might conclude that women's rights and roles have not changed a great deal.

"the war in the middle east started when the British gave our land Palestine to the Jews, and al subsequent aggressions is because of that,"

Wrong. The Ottoman empire brought war to the middle east and near east long before 1948. What on earth do you mean by 'our' land? Since when is it 'your' land? Mohhamed was a distant future blight on humanity when the Jews inhabited Palestine more than 3000 years ago.

And if by 'our' you mean Arabs - then do the Coptic Christians and others in North Africa have the same rights to the land that was taken from them by Muslim invaders across all of North Africa?

"The european colonisation of our countries is another consequence reason."

Similarly - what are arabs doing in Europe - as Europe is 'our' land? We know the answer to that - tasting a life which is free from the bigotry and suppression of freedom and human rights that is pervasive throughout muslim countries.

"I don't support terrorists, any kind of terrorism, specially American terrorism, so if you you support what Americans do or you support the jewish state , then you are terrorist"

A non-sequitur. What you are saying is illogical - it does not follow. - or can't you see that? You don't support terrorism and make a claim that America, a major UN member is guilty of terrorist acts. So if someone supports America or Israel - then, because of your unsubstantiated claim - then you are automatically a terrorist?

Do you specially not support Al Qeda terrorism more than the claimed American terrorism?. You have offered nothing about your opinion of America's right to pre-empt any further attacks such as the events 9/11.

Bring democracy, by making themisary to the people, by killing them and dispersing them from their homelands. if this is democracy, we don't want your democracy."

If you don't know what democracy is by this stage of your life something's wrong. Look it up on that eveil invention of the Infidels - the Internet , seeing you have access to it. Ypu'll discover that democracy is a very old idea - put into practice in ancient Greece. YOu guys should try it out - it's great!

"The American war is about many things, one thing is oil another be near Iran and engulf the old enemy Russia, this is why they also occupied Afghanistan, they want to threat the wolrd an make contriol of it"

America is not at all interested in engulfing Russia. Despite the language difference Russia and America have many things in common - Russians are Europeans, have Russian Orthodox Christianity as their countries religion and have basicall the same ethics and expectations as most Europeans. America wants to do business with Russia - as does Europe.

"Even before 9/11 I don't think any muslim would ever dream of becoming president, you know why, because the Americans are descriminate against Islam ever since the dawn of history."

So history dawned on July 4th, 1776 then? Intriguing.... we'd really like to hear your understanding of world history - it must be quite entertaining.

"We Muslims will direct our anger against who is the real terrorist in this world, THE WEST"

Well good, luck with holding onto your self-poisoning rage - the real losers are yourselves. BTW, forget Russia coming siding up with the muslim masses. Ask any Serb what they think of Muslims and you'll get a response similar to a Russians.

'Islam is a peaceful religion, but don't step on its toes ,'

No, it's not a peaceful religion at all - that is the point.

'If the Myuslims rulers are afraid of America and the West and keep silent, I can assure you that the masses are boiling.'

I think you should use the future tense instead and say 'will be boiling'. But actually a thermonuclear blast instantaneously vapourises organic matter into a plasma - there is no transition state into a boiling liquid. I'm not making veiled threats of what western militray might do for the most spurious of reasons, I'm speaking of a worst case scenario i.e. if and when the lunatics in Islamic countries ever again dared to do something significantly stupid to the West.

Personally I think we're far too tolerant of your nonsense - but that is guaranteed to change.

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