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Our dear KH Ahmed and the Arabic language

Reader comment on item: Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood
in response to reader comment: Apologist- I don't think so

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), May 27, 2008 at 19:42

Our dear K. H. wrote

>I'm not sure as to what I said that is wash and spin.

Well maybe as you shall see you need to "wash and spin" one more time

>I have mostly commented on the article stating that the name Hussein is Muslim - it's not and that is fact -

Really? Do you speak read or write Arabic? I doubt it very much. And you know what? If I tell the folks at let us say al-Azhar that you our dear K.H. is saying that the name Hussein is not a Muslim name they will think that you are out of your mind. So are you out of your mind our dear K.H?

>it's arabic and there is a difference, anyone can have that name.

OK could you find any Christian Arab or a Jewish man from let us say Iraq or Morroco whose first or middle name or last name is Hussein? Let me help you: you will never find such name among Christian Arabs or among Jews from Arabic speaking countries.

>The same is true about the name Barak.

It is not a common Arabic name. You can use a derivative from the same root BRK as in the case of Mubarak of Egypt and Mabroka for a woman, but again his father was not an Arab.

The Arabic word baraka means blessing is from the Arabic language root: BRK (see Hans Wehr page 54B) and Barack Obama's first name is indeed the Arabic word baraka. Now we need to talk about the the rule of vowels our dear KH Ahmed when speaking a second language that is not your mother tongue and let us work on your last name

You see our dear KH your last name Ahmed is an Arabic/Mulsim name as per the Qur'an a book that I suspect that you cannot read in Arabic and it goes as follows:

1. The rasm is: AHMD

2. The Muslim 3Ulama edited your Allah's book (so much for the unedited Qur'an) by adding a fatha above the letter meem which means that your name sould be transliterated as: AHMad (the letters of the rasm are in upper case and the added short vowel fatha vowel in in lower case) or Ahmad and not your Ahmed (see Q61:6 where it says: ....ya'tii min ba3dii ismuhu ahmad and no I not translate Arabic for wannabe Arabs)

3. Now do you think that you need to change the spelling of your name Ahmed to Ahmad? What do you think?And now do you get the point?

>They both evolve from the aramaic from which both arab and hebrew find their roots.

Really? Wow I'm so impressed. So Hebrew and Arabic "find their roots in Aramaic"? Did you ever hear of something called Semitic languages? May be you can publish such little gem in a liguistic journal our dear KH. But wait: It seems that your Allah used many Syriac words in the Qur'an (do you know what is really Syriac?) as in the case of Ruum and Frqn and tur. What do you think our dear Ahmed?

>Barak is a variation of the Hebrew Baruk

So? Could it be because as you claimed Arabic and Hebrew have "their roots in Aramaic"? So what is your point?

>and at the moment Hussein escapes but there are 4 or 5 spellings of it but I believe,(don't guarantee)

Really? this is real fun

>that Husyn is the root.

No it is called rasm (oh I forgot that you do not know any Arabic) and it is HSYN (hah seen yeh and nuun) and do you know what is really the rasm?

Missing is this case are the short vowels and if there is a double consonant the shadda will also be missing. Now we need to talk about using vowels. What made you spell your last name as Ahmed instead of Ahmad is the same reason why different people will spell such word in different ways because surpise surprise your accent in a second language is a function of the way you use vowles in your "mother tongue" (and this is what an "accent" is all aboput) so if I would transliterate the rasm on the name HSYN in let us say Egyptian Arabic it would be: HeSYN or HeSIN or HeSSIN and the way he spells his middle name is a function of the way his father used his vowles in his mother tongue. Now do you get it?

Now do you see what happens when you get your self in issues that are really far beyond you?

>I don't apologize for Islam or any other religion, while all religions have great purpose in the world as far as I am concerned they are all so badly misused by their proponents I prefer not to debate their merits.

So why did you give us this lecture about you being an ex this and an ex that and that you are Muslim now? Did we ask you?

>I have stated many times on this site that the use of Sura or Biblical quotes is intellectually dishonest - these writings were made during historical times and relate to a historical perspective -

If by this you mean: Heilgeschichte then you are correct but I very much doubt that this is what you meant.

Now neither the Qu'an nor the Bible are history books as in: what really happened. How come you did not know that?

>it is disingenious to define a religion a people or a religion in modern times by its historical writings. I do not define the Jewish community by Old Testament verses, nor do I define Christians by the same. I can define the Wahabbi sect of Islam by its actions and its interpretation of Islamic text as a dangerous and unacceptable form of Islam.

Whatever.

Snip nonsesne

>I merely find it disturbing that the word "muslim" has taken on such a broad perspective in the west that it now connotates a perjurative anytime someone wants it too. And I know all about 9/11 and the whole terroist thing - but that has nothing to do with truly understanding the people we are dealing with - the writer of the original article developed a thesis based on innuendo and false premises that led to a false conclusion regarding someones honesty. I wouldn't care who it was you just can't make it up as you go along so it fits the arguement.

What false conclusion? That the name barack and Huessin (or which ever way he writes his name) are really Muslim names?

... Turks like you must be the most confused people on this planet. So the old Byzantine Empire was invaded by Turkish barbarians and the end result is that most Turks are the decendants of Greeks and Armenians and Syrians that were brutalized by the Turks and their islam but that did not stop them from converting to an alien religion whose language you cannot even speak, read or write and the end result is your last name is Ahmed and not Ahmad. Islam is the religion and the imperialism of the arabs. And after all of this Turks move by the truck load to the lands of the infidels and deny that there was such a thing as the "Armenian Genocide." . Just amazing.

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