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Animal Slaughtering in Islam as per Nature

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Submitted by Maqsood (Pakistan), Aug 13, 2007 at 03:17

Hello Plato,

>>M: Read my statement again it is said more hygienic. It does not mean that no more safety is required. Secondly 1st slaughter an animal then see how much blood drains. We see quite often and rarely can find a drop in the remaining meat.<<

P:What you say only shows that you are either a vegetarian or have never seen raw meat. LOL.

M: very funny. never mind… just see the facts.

>>P: In Africa some tribes (Zulus?)consume blood directly from animals without even cooking and they seem to be very healthy.

M: What do you say?? If it is a wise thing??? If you r convinced enough then why dont you do that???<<

P: Why isn't it wise? If they are healthy what is wrong with it? A pure vegetarian could also ask you the same question considering that vegetable matter harbour far fewer disease-causing organisms than animals. Let me ask you is it wise to eat meat??? Just as you are convinced enough to eat meat with all the disease causing organisms they contain I would also consider drinking blood of animals if I am convinced that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

M: wait till you find the truth. But I will pray that you can find that much time.

>>M: Here is your required reference....., i think you should now surrender to Allah. All other signs will also become clear to you.<<

P:Because one experiment (who has confirmed it?) says cutting the throat of an animal causes less pain than stunning it you want me to convert to Islam. So what happens tomorrow if another study shows the reverse? You yourself indicated elsewhere that scientific theories keep changing. I convert back to being an atheist and become halal for Muslims as an apostate?

M: Leave the theories…. Just come to the proven laws. And also if you cant trust science, come to faith discussion. But for that you will have to make some faith.

http://www.halalscience.org/en/knowledge_detail.php?Id=88

I don't want to pre-judge the site. But being familiar with Islamic science and its propagandists like Maurice Bucaille I will take whatever is cited with a ton of salt.

In fact following the links, except for writing that some studies were done and stating results without any direct quotations from the study it is claimed that slitting throat is less painful and hygienic than stunning. A curious statement drew my attention:

II - Western method by C.B.P. Stunning

1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning.

2. EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.

P; Can EEG show whether an animal is suffering pain while unconscious. I have no clue. Can an expert who reads this enlighten us.

To me it seems like a typical claim by Muslims. Like Neil Armstrong hearing the adhan while in space. Confidently throwing out names of German researchers and the Texas University without properly quoting from the research papers is insufficient to convince a discerning reader. Let us check from the original research.

M: This is the statement by you .. that I will never confess in any case…. youre blaming a German university.????

>>how many references you need?? I will provide you each one with the hope that you will be convinced....<<

P: Maqsood, cutting and pasting from Islamic websites the words of the author is insufficient, unless the quotation enables the reader to check from the original research. You have not provided a reference, just a second hand account of what the author thinks the research found.

M: take your time to check the original study and let me know the results..

Following some of the links I came across the statement:

‘Thus, leaving aside the debate of stunned/non-stunned meat, the fact remains that it is highly improper for a Muslim to eat out outlets where alcohol is served and consumed within close proximity. By doing so, the natural dislike and abhorrence a Muslim ought to have for alcohol will gradually fade. This is undoubtedly harmful for one's Imaan and the consequences can be far reaching. [http://www.gmwa.org.uk/foodguide2/index.php?page=viewquestion&id=75]'

M: Thats true, but you can also see the effects for non muslims. Cant you???

P:This reminds one of the old Hindu concept of pollution. The saving grace is that here it is due to alcohol and for Hindus it was due to lower caste people. But the principle is the same. Something is abhorrent and so to even be in its presence is likely to harm one spiritually.

M: Come to the facts….

Regards

Maqsood

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