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Reader comment on item: Salman Rushdie and British Backbone
in response to reader comment: To Maqsood: Freedom of speech is not 'haram' for us infidels

Submitted by Maqsood (Pakistan), Jul 16, 2007 at 07:25

If you have to ask that question,clearly you have no clue to what freedom of speech is. In Islam prohibtions and restrictions are what life is all about (haram and halal) not freedom. Your life revolves around it. Those who have freedom of speech can call into question and lampoon any dogma, ideology, philosophy or religion. The ones that can stand the purificatory fire of freedom of speech remain standing the others fall by the wayside. Muslims are afraid of freedom of speech because you know that Islam as a religion cannot stand up to close scrutiny. So suppressing freedom of thought is your desperate attempt to hide the truth of what your religion really preaches. For instance Allah gives out a contract to Muslims to go out and kill and be killed in his cause in verse 9:111. With freedom of speech how long can you go on claiming context and misinterpretation to hide such calls for violence.

you r saying to do Halal and haram is freedom....., i will ask u if you have any religion or you r free from all sorts of social and religious boundries.

As long as concept of halal n haram is concerned in Islam, there is nothing against nature. If you want a debate i will answer your questions one by one. If there would be no bounadries there would be no difference between forest (jungle) and the humans beings will be worst than animals. ( yo can take examples like homosexuality, polygamy, rape etc and think from where these came.... simple answer is from animals Pig most prominant.... think honestly, you will learn definitely). I will discuss other things about Islam if you tell me about your religion or no religion???

To whom did Rushdie say shameful words? To a long dead man? Long dead heroes of other people are also sometimes spoken of in disrepectul terms for their actions and words. Ans: rushdie said shame full words to our beloved Prophet and dont say long dead man. He is still alive in the hearts of all Muslims. About our Prophet many non Muslims also confess that He was the greatest personality in the human history. He is given the ist rank among the top 100 greatest personalities of the history. I can show u the book written by a non Muslim.

Nobody riots and kills people going about their daily chores like Muslims do

Ans: This is because u dont even love your mother and father, how come you can love ur heroes. you send their old ones to old home like used items thrown to basket. Tell me if you love someone more than any thing i.e your life, wealth, mother, father, children, ken etc ( i m sure you cant do but just assume) and some one says about that personality shameful words, wat will you do then? especially if you dont have any courts??

Calling ubelievers deaf, dumb and stupid is not hurful? Please read 2:18, 8:22, 17:97. Why should freedom of speech be a one way street? Bush who raids the Middle East for oil is criticised and abused everywhere. So is Muslims looting caravans, subduing tribes to take their wealth sacrosanct and cannot be criticised? Muslims consider them holy actions sanctioned by God Himself. The non-Muslim world considers them as no different than what you consider Bush is doing in the Middle East.

Ans:these words are said about the people who do not listen, dont think and dont recognize the truth. U can decide if it is not true??? and remember these r not words of some human, these r from All mighty Allah, The creator of everything. Islam gives freedom to thought, to soul not to the bodies and lust. you well said about Bush... America is looting the middle east (the Muslim countries... Iraq, Afghanistan and may be next Iran and then Pakistan) but how come u say about muslims the same??? Which Muslim country occupied a non muslim country based on Arms and killing millions of people including civilians, children and woman.

Is calling pagans 'najees' abuse? Is calling jews pigs and apes abuse? Read them in the koran.

All these words pigs, najees and apes are not used for jews or any religion but for the non believers who who refused the sayings of Allah and Allah Almighty converted them to Apes and Pigs. If u know history many nations have been destroyed completely before Hazarat Essa (Jesus May Allah be please with him). I can mention the nations Samood whose caves are still signs for good viewers and nation Aad, whose long bodies are discovered from Yamen recently. So this is not abuses but the past reallities. you should read Quran completely and true spirit. I think yu will get the true light. Dont just remember few lines which are selected by some satans to misguide the humanity.

There should not be except abuse of the living. The persons living or dead who claim to be philosophers, prophets, ideologues, or politicians should not be given any protection from their words and actions being examined in the harshest manner possoble. Only those who can stand the acid test of public scrutiny of what they say and do have a right to respect.

Ans: Very strange... There is not limit for living but for dead??. Actuallu you people dont get hurt from any thing as i mentioned above becoz you dont and perhaps cant love some one except money thats why you can afford anything.

It is not acceptable and that is why we in the civilised world will either sue them or if we are of an excitable nature mabye punch him in the nose and for which act we would end up in court. We will not murder them or gather friends and relative to start a riot.

Yes you r right the court can resolve the issue but you know if the court is America..., all members of courts are satans or colleagues of satan and court itself abuses your sister then what will u do?

And I know about your civilized world..... naked, where there is no daughter, no father, no son, no mother only opposite sex or even same sex . When you r unable to do something thrown to old homes....

By the way did Rushdie do any of that? Did he abuse your mother, father, or your sister in front of you in speech? Or are you one of those over the top people who considers your Prophet to be your father, mother and sister all rolled into one? If so, it easily explains this post of yours.

For your information , to us Our Prophet PBUH is more honourable than our mothers, sisters, fathers and any other relation. If u can give a punch at nose to someone who abuses your sister, then we can do any thing if some one tries to dishonour ( Although no body can in reallity). this is directly proportional to the love u have for ur sister and we have for our prophet.

Lastly i would appreciate if you can do one to one chat with me. I hope you will start thinking

Good Luck

Maqsood

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