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Implications of pre-mature withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq on European Islamization
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Submitted by Dallas (United States), Mar 31, 2007 at 18:13

The outcome of the War in Iraq may affect European Islamization. If U.S forces prematurely withdraw from Iraq, it could create an opportunity or Iran or some other Islamist nation to Create a Regional Islamist Empire . The existence of a unified Islamist empire in the Middle East would intervene in European affairs much more effectively than a series of separate Arab nations with divergent interests. Such intervention could include political use of oil monopoly, terrorism and Islamist propaganda.

The existence of a regional Islamist empire could tilt the balance in a European Islamist civil war towards Islamists or encourage Europeans to give up the battle. My conclusion is that Europe will fall to Islamism. If this happens, what remain of the free world will face a much more serious Islamist threat than currently exists.


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Euorpe will not fall... [143 words]KatrinaMay 23, 2007 11:27
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Europe's Stark Options May Also Be America's Stark Options [88 words]Walt IronsApr 18, 2007 16:26
ref: footnote #2..that patterns in W Europe and the USA started diverging twenty-five years ago [637 words]S. E. Kalmutz.Apr 18, 2007 16:22
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A slight disagreement with Daniel Pipes
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Son of LibertyMar 30, 2007 20:22
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Immigration due to colonization [51 words]Wilson KayerMar 28, 2007 00:25
Only a matter of time [49 words]Ames TiedemanMar 27, 2007 07:32
Only a matter of time before Britain surrenders [211 words]Mr. ShawarmaMar 29, 2007 02:40
Proof that Britain Has Already Surrendered [159 words]Mr. ShawarmaApr 14, 2007 21:45
Dream On. [343 words]VERONICA JORDANApr 19, 2007 12:14
To Veronica: Sounds like I struck a nerve re: British women and British people [293 words]Mr. ShawarmaApr 21, 2007 10:27
BRITAIN IS GOING DOWN THE DRAIN FAST! [79 words]Stephen PhillipsApr 21, 2007 19:39
Your comments are fair! [672 words]veronica jordanApr 22, 2007 14:32
London, England is even worse than I thought [314 words]Mr.ShawarmaApr 28, 2007 12:59
Britain is in several ways a Muslim country in the 1970s [211 words]Mr. ShwarmaMay 27, 2007 11:10
To Dr. Pipes: Don't slander the secularists
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Moderate Muslims [47 words]jon purizhanskyMar 22, 2007 07:49
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BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION.. [198 words]DONVANMar 26, 2007 08:35
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Fear of fear itself. [299 words]T FieldMar 14, 2007 23:16
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if only they were the future victims... [92 words]Donald OMar 17, 2007 18:38
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Le Pen is not gonna win [146 words]ASMar 22, 2007 00:21
Conclusion [132 words]OctavioMar 14, 2007 05:02
The American system cannot work [296 words]OctavioMar 13, 2007 05:03
Pardon me [29 words]TerryMar 16, 2007 18:56
No need to bother the Yanks [61 words]OctavioMar 19, 2007 14:16
To Octavio [251 words]faqiMar 20, 2007 01:45
It can't be done [137 words]TerryMar 20, 2007 16:47
I understand [55 words]OctavioMar 20, 2007 18:57
Faqi - you missed one of the best and most recent examples of Muslim tolerance and rule of law [145 words]sullyMar 21, 2007 09:10
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loss of Europe's religious faith is not the problem [266 words]Jeffrey BaleMar 12, 2007 20:06
nonsense.. [166 words]donvanMar 14, 2007 13:24
Europe's dark options [108 words]faqiMar 15, 2007 13:47
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WHY.. [189 words]DONVANMar 16, 2007 08:52
the basic premise [246 words]TerryMar 16, 2007 18:37
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British PC [51 words]OctavioMar 12, 2007 10:27
England and the English people have no responsibility to integrate Muslims [100 words]SullyMar 13, 2007 10:11
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Sully, you are right!! [348 words]JaladhiMar 14, 2007 13:59
You have a gift [14 words]TerryMar 16, 2007 19:08
Brilliant Summary [64 words]LDCMar 11, 2007 11:36
Unfortunately you are right [124 words]TerryMar 16, 2007 19:28
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Eu a super power prison [217 words]veronica jordanApr 20, 2007 06:52
GERMANY IS THE EUROPEAN UNION [339 words]Stephen PhillipsApr 21, 2007 14:24
The best laid plans [574 words]veronica jordanApr 22, 2007 15:46
Germany can and will control the muslims in its nation [750 words]Stephen PhillipsApr 22, 2007 17:03
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Something even more historically unprecedented [589 words]Alexander GofenMar 9, 2007 22:50
Colonialism [44 words]DaveMar 16, 2007 03:14
Alexander you might want to consider this.... [540 words]HomefrontMar 20, 2007 20:52
to Alexander [37 words]ASMar 23, 2007 01:33
Coexistence models [259 words]OctavioMar 9, 2007 11:10
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Gangstas Paradise [228 words]OctavioMar 16, 2007 19:50
to Octavio and changed views [282 words]ASMar 19, 2007 04:33
AS [176 words]OctavioMar 20, 2007 03:22
to Octavio on immigration [318 words]ASMar 21, 2007 03:36
AS: I thought you were Canadian [147 words]OctavioMar 21, 2007 19:22
Britain [125 words]OctavioMar 22, 2007 04:28
to Octavio on European experiments with islam [674 words]ASMar 23, 2007 00:55
GANGSTAS' PARADISE REVISITED!! [220 words]CAIRfreefutureApr 3, 2007 04:36
not only in europe, ISLAM is growing worldwide [167 words]Stefan HofmanMar 8, 2007 20:50
HOW LONG CAN ISLAM REALISTICALLY REMAIN IN ITS BACKWARD & AROGANT STATE IN EUROPE ?? [416 words]Martha cMar 10, 2007 22:03
TOO LITTLE TOO LATE.. [189 words]DONVANMar 14, 2007 08:39
The Saudis Holy Wars - Taking The World For Islam [79 words]MarthaApr 6, 2007 18:50
ISLAM stands for Pure and Perfect Monotheism [51 words]Muhammad HussainApr 10, 2009 18:48
The doctrine of al-tawheed is a bogus doctrine [563 words]dhimmi no moreApr 11, 2009 09:03
Eurabia will come [89 words]OctavioMar 8, 2007 15:15
The God question [206 words]OctavioMar 9, 2007 05:19
RE: Eurabia [102 words]CAIRfreefutureMar 10, 2007 23:16
To CAIRfreefuture [257 words]OctavioMar 12, 2007 06:48
Ummah divided [346 words]LWMar 8, 2007 10:47
I am sick [22 words]HubertMar 8, 2007 10:44
We should enter into good faith negotiations with Islam [63 words]SullyMar 7, 2007 14:30
SULLY [155 words]donvanMar 8, 2007 15:18
absolutely correct sully ! [152 words]KatMar 24, 2007 20:01
typo?
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IdoMar 7, 2007 07:52
I beg to differ with you Dr. Pipes....
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JoshuaPunditMar 6, 2007 19:54
Europe: What a Tragedy! [143 words]Non MuslimMar 7, 2007 00:36
Law and Order [118 words]OctavioMar 6, 2007 18:50
Muslims never integrate with the host country's culture!!! [137 words]JaladhiMar 7, 2007 16:46
The Australian experience [88 words]OctavioMar 8, 2007 15:10
Western education does not change Muslims [162 words]JaladhiMar 8, 2007 16:43
Dear Jalahadi [107 words]OctavioMar 8, 2007 18:23
Octavio Australia aint so hot... [720 words]HomefrontMar 12, 2007 05:57
Odd [19 words]Solomon2Mar 6, 2007 11:36
The way it is [140 words]OctavioMar 6, 2007 04:44
Why and How is Europe already Islamicized [101 words]Nabil ShawarmaMar 7, 2007 07:03
Dear Nabil [52 words]OctavioMar 8, 2007 15:05
I believe it given the jump in rapes in Sweden, Denmark and Norway. [184 words]Nabil ShawarmaMar 8, 2007 16:51
to Octavio on illiterate muslims [117 words]ASMar 19, 2007 03:00
Don't blame me, AS! [112 words]OctavioMar 20, 2007 19:03
ISLAM IS GREATER THAN A RELIGION [84 words]MAMAMIA TONTERIAMar 5, 2007 18:46
Mamamia, Comparing Islam [65 words]InfidelMar 7, 2007 12:22
LONDON MAYOR [63 words]MAMAMIA TENTERIAMar 12, 2007 16:29
Quotation from Disraeli [74 words]robertRMar 5, 2007 14:46
hate to break the news [42 words]abeMar 5, 2007 13:19
The Presence of Islam is a threat [299 words]MohammedMar 5, 2007 11:40
Europe is Already "Terra Incognita" for Muslim Immigrants
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AlexMar 5, 2007 11:37
Muslim conquerors often killed civilians [258 words]byzantine historianMar 7, 2007 17:04
Islamic Ottoman Kidnapping of Christian Children [154 words]Domenic PepeMar 7, 2007 23:12
They were all brutal [32 words]Smith BrianOct 25, 2008 08:46
What will America do? [359 words]Marc JorisMar 5, 2007 05:47
Imagine, what America will do? [195 words]JaladhiMar 5, 2007 17:41
The Yanks are not coming! [165 words]SullyMar 6, 2007 14:15
Don't let us down [226 words]Marc JorisMar 7, 2007 08:16
You've convinced me [171 words]SullyMar 8, 2007 08:45
Marc's Query Answered [146 words]LDCMar 11, 2007 11:58
Sorry Marc, here in Canada we will have our own Canadistan in 2 generations. [306 words]Jeff BurkeMar 15, 2007 08:16
Euro-vision song contest [107 words]OctavioMar 19, 2007 19:56
Sorry that your nap was disturbed Octavio [170 words]sullyMar 20, 2007 17:44
Sully [101 words]OctavioMar 21, 2007 15:19
The Israelis offered the Palestinians everything they asked for. . . and the Palestinians bit their hand [198 words]SullyMar 21, 2007 20:04
lets be fair this time please [106 words]louis henwoodMay 15, 2009 23:22
The solution is simple but will take time [214 words]AnwarMar 5, 2007 01:21
Perfidious Albion [112 words]Martin E. WeinsteinMar 4, 2007 04:24
Europe's stark options [176 words]FaqiMar 5, 2007 00:17
Islamic Ottoman Destruction of Byzantium
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Domenic PepeMar 3, 2007 16:38
Amen [2 words]RichardMar 3, 2007 23:26
Islam threat to Europe and in turn Christian Culture [34 words]James C JApr 23, 2009 03:08
The tools to Intergrate [114 words]Mark O'LearyMar 3, 2007 16:11
Muhammad City? [196 words]BillMar 3, 2007 15:10
The Options may be Blunt and Clear, but perhaps not quite so Stark? [605 words]Ron ThompsonMar 3, 2007 14:51
Secularism = abortion [208 words]MorpheusMar 4, 2007 10:54
Amen Morpheus, Islam is NOT destroying the West, The West is destroying itself [182 words]LisaMar 5, 2007 00:26
a multi-faceted approach is required [266 words]ArunMar 6, 2007 03:05
"Pro-Life" Muslims?? [308 words]Ron ThompsonMar 6, 2007 18:40
Word play ;-) [497 words]MorpheusMar 7, 2007 22:02
Lisa, Read closely [322 words]CanadianChrisMar 8, 2007 11:03
to Lisa on secularism [33 words]ASMar 20, 2007 01:22
Europe's Stark Options [96 words]MarshFeb 18, 2009 00:52
Europe's Stark Options [70 words]JeremyFeb 18, 2009 01:18
It's happened before.
[w/response] [45 words]
Alan RosenthalMar 3, 2007 14:05
maybe not so simple [257 words]Winston E. Smith, JRMar 3, 2007 10:10
Response to Winston Smith [117 words]SanchezMar 4, 2007 09:46
Being Secular is Not the problem [272 words]SanchezMar 3, 2007 09:18
Right On [24 words]Pro-Israeli DemocratMar 5, 2007 08:39
a deal is a deal [41 words]robert aMar 3, 2007 01:34
Europe's Stark Options [167 words]Peter C. HuangMar 3, 2007 01:26
muslims will never integrate [416 words]sanjayMar 3, 2007 00:55
Muslims will never intergrate [628 words]FaqiMar 5, 2007 00:29
Muslims take but do not give [276 words]Kahn ArshadNov 26, 2007 10:41
denial of religion [250 words]Donald OMar 2, 2007 23:01
Europe will not reject muslims as a consequence of their collective guilt [260 words]PeterMar 2, 2007 18:25
«Paz para as línguas» [89 words]GalizaMar 2, 2007 17:15
Why use tentative phrasing? [133 words]winstonMar 2, 2007 16:33
3 Options [339 words]Nelson XMar 2, 2007 15:38
European Culture [206 words]Edward HalperMar 2, 2007 13:24
I agree with Peters [496 words]Pro-Israeli DemocratMar 2, 2007 12:32
Peter's analysis is wishful thinking at best [840 words]HomefrontMar 4, 2007 21:13
Ellis Island will need to reopen for business! [141 words]Pez DispenserMar 2, 2007 12:24
Eurabiaphobia [144 words]Rebecca E. MouldsMar 2, 2007 10:48
What is? Struggle. [109 words]Melvin A. FechterMar 2, 2007 10:37
"Breeding Like Mosquitos" [303 words]Lactantius Jr.Mar 2, 2007 08:57
Choice of procedure. [52 words]Peter BuchMar 2, 2007 02:36
Can Europe win? [206 words]Nenette GrunbergMar 2, 2007 01:07
On "Europe's Stark Options" [103 words]dsRonMar 1, 2007 23:41
Europe`s Stark Options [11 words]HCol BJ Finestone, CD, CdeG.Mar 1, 2007 22:54
Important Comments on Author's Observations [191 words]SinghaMar 1, 2007 22:31
Where are the Crusaders? [81 words]CrocketMar 1, 2007 20:01
Back to the Crusades [163 words]Roger WilliamsMar 1, 2007 19:28
Riding to the rescue [83 words]David W. LincolnMar 1, 2007 19:20
A Fourth Alternative [15 words]Richard WittrupMar 1, 2007 18:42
Western Media unwilling to offer honest portrayal of facts [139 words]GlennMar 1, 2007 18:24
A Fourth Option [608 words]EarnestMar 1, 2007 18:04
know your oil facts [276 words]Rick HouseMar 11, 2007 04:57
Oil depletion facts [479 words]EarnestMar 11, 2007 19:38
Your position is well argued, but I still see something different [519 words]Rick HouseMar 12, 2007 03:30
European surrender to Muslims without a fight!! [139 words]Romesh ChanderMar 1, 2007 17:27
Islam is it's own worst enemy [115 words]trans-parereMar 1, 2007 17:04
who's doin' who.. [21 words]donvanMar 1, 2007 16:36
Europe options [96 words]Stephane S LubiczMar 1, 2007 16:35
Europe Options [142 words]CherMar 2, 2007 01:06
on europe and birth rates [56 words]ASMar 2, 2007 14:38
Yet another path that deserves discussion. [227 words]Rick HouseMar 1, 2007 16:34
Europe's Stark Option [177 words]ThiaganMar 2, 2007 02:03
Christianity is the Answer [33 words]Clifford IshiiMar 1, 2007 16:08
Superstition is never a good answer [89 words]CanadianChrisMar 2, 2007 12:54
To CanadianChris - Your comments are typical of the intellectual Canadian left [284 words]nabil shawarmaMar 4, 2007 08:40
To Canadian Chris [272 words]LisaMar 5, 2007 00:07
Lisa Lisa Lisa...Sigh... Shakes head. [956 words]CanadianChrisMar 7, 2007 17:42
Islamophobia [24 words]Judeo ChriIslamApr 14, 2007 22:52
WHAT A GREAT ARTICLE! [49 words]Patricia MyerMar 1, 2007 15:45
I agree Patricia [49 words]MarkMar 2, 2007 14:52
Deportation is the answer [63 words]KennyMar 1, 2007 15:44
The only cure for Islam [38 words]Stephen PhillipsMar 1, 2007 19:28
deportation or appeasement? [629 words]SusanMar 2, 2007 00:16
Control Immigration [193 words]Canadian womanMar 13, 2007 13:31
True [58 words]OctavioMar 13, 2007 18:32
This had to be said [62 words]CharlieMar 1, 2007 15:16
Reason and power.. [200 words]donvanMar 2, 2007 09:45
muslims will never intergrate [79 words]JohnMar 2, 2007 12:54
Antidote for Dogma? [99 words]CharlieMar 5, 2007 07:53
EXAMPLE.. [121 words]DONVANMar 5, 2007 17:21
Freedom-ism? [29 words]CharlieMar 7, 2007 01:05
Islam is doomed [90 words]Dr. Marc MayersonMar 1, 2007 15:12
Dr Mayerson might want to consider history. [366 words]HomefrontMar 25, 2007 23:48
Another peaceful viable and effective option is to decare islam a non religion [313 words]A.A.Mar 1, 2007 14:56
re-Europes Starkes options making islam non-religious [45 words]JRBAug 22, 2009 09:19
Forget Europe, worry about Jihad in USA for Islamization!! [206 words]JaladhiMar 1, 2007 14:47
Endorsing the 7/7 Bombings
[w/response] [60 words]
Fredric FastowMar 1, 2007 14:00

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