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Islam and its origin

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in response to reader comment: dhimmi: Letter to Julanda brothers fact or fiction?

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jul 12, 2008 at 19:31

Hi Plato you wrote:

>Hello dhimmi no more,

>You wrote:

>>The only sources we have about the origin of Islam from Muslims are literary sources written by non-Arabs in distant Mesopotamia in the 3rd century of islam. There are no coins, papyri, epigraphy or anyhting that is extant and can tell us about this religion. Nothing. Not a thing.<<

There is supposed to be a letter written by Muhammad to the Juland brothers kept in a fort in Sohar. Have you heard of it? How genuine do you think it is? http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/oman.htm

No it is not true. This is bogus. Now if you are looking for all the extant sources in Arabic (papyri, epigraphy, coins etrc...) that we have from 632CE when Muhammad died until 750CE and the end of the Umayyads you will find them in Hoyland survey and you will not find such bogus letter and you will not find a copy of the Qur'an or the hadith or the sira and they are all late and they are all written in distant Iran and Mesopotamia by non Arabs starting in the 3rd century .

Now in regard to literary sources prior to the rise of islam you can consult Hoyland's book "Arabia and the Arabs from the bronze age to the coming of islam" but you will not find any literary sources (papyri, coins, epigraphy etc...) that come form the Hijaz prior to 632CE not a thing

As for the so called Meccan trade you need to go no further than reading Crone's Meccan Trade and the rise of islam and she indeed gave a death blow to such bogus history. And no there was no such thing as Meccan trade in the scale that the tradition tells us about and if it was for real then why did it disappear after the rise of islam?

As for literary sources in Arabic they start to appear in 642CE and not from the Hijaz but from Egypt in the form of papyri

even the so called letter by Muhammad to al-Muqawqas (Cyrus the Melkite patriarch in Egypt) that we are supposed to find it in the Topkapi museum in Turkey is no more than another forgery and the story of Maria al-Qibtiya is nothing but literary fraud

I hope I helped

>Warm regards

Thank you

Plato

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