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How dare I?

Reader comment on item: Civil War in Iraq?
in response to reader comment: ... this is not a morally consistent stand

Submitted by Bader S (Saudi Arabia), Mar 7, 2006 at 06:29

Here we go again.

"You claim that Saddam is better than us"

I made no such claim. I did write, however that Saddam has better experience than the US at executing suspects without recourse to a legal trial. (Am I wrong in that assumption?)

"in order to fight terrorists you claim are innocent"

Again, I made no such claim. What I did try to point out is that, according to US law, a suspect is innocent until proven guilty. You, sir, wrote that "Executing every suspected Al Queda member and suspected Iranian spy would be a good start."
The operative word here being "suspected". By killing suspects before a fair trial would seem to be morally inconsistent with American values (Am I wrong in that assumption too ?)

"How dare you, and those like you, pollute the internet with your lies that America must be like its evil enemies just because America must fight against them?"

No I don't think that "America must be like its evil enemies just because America must fight against them", but it does appear that some people consider that America in its occupation of Iraq, has been no better than Saddam.

For example, In Douglas Waller's How Abu Ghraib Lives On
A new human rights report says detainees in Iraq are still being abused (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1170286,00.html) we note that

"The U.S.-led Multinational Force also is turning a blind eye to torture "increasingly being committed by Iraqi security forces,"

"Insisting that "the human rights situation in [Iraq] remains dire," Amnesty's report also says that as of last November over 14,000 prisoners considered security threats — and rounded up primarily by U.S. forces — were being held at Abu Ghraib, three other U.S. detention centers and a number of smaller temporary internment camps in Iraq. "The vast majority" of these detainees, Amnesty claims, have never been tried or charged and have no way to challenge their imprisonment in court. "

Again we read here http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1651789,00.html what Sir Menzies Campbell, the Lib Dem foreign affairs spokesman said
'It is inconceivable in the higher reaches of the command of the multinational forces that there was not an awareness of what is being done by some Iraqis to their own countrymen". Now he was refering to the comments made by Ayad Allawi.

Allawi considered, according to the Guardian, that "Human rights abuses in Iraq are now as bad as they were under Saddam Hussein and are even in danger of eclipsing his record"

Now yes, the US can say that it is the Iraqi security forces who are doing the abuse. And Saddam can also say in his trial that he was unaware of what what taking place under his rule. After all, it is a legitimate defense tactic to say "I didnt know what was going on."

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