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Reader comment on item: The Rot in Our [Canadian] Universities

Submitted by Sandra (Canada), Jan 31, 2003 at 10:09

It's quite interesting the comments posted on this site in regards to this event.

I understand that some people called Daniel a racist and walked out of the talk. To which Daniel made comments to the effect of how it is interesting that people call names when they don't like what the speaker is saying. I wonder if the name calling and accusations you made in your article, Daniel, were not regarded in the same light as you regarded the comments of those at your talk.

It's interesting that freedom of speech and thought should only be afforded to your points of view. Were not those protestors and people who left your walk entitled to those very same rights? Why do you attack them for expressing their thoughts and views simply because they disagree with yours? You called them "rowdies and barbarians" did you not? Again, what was that about people who resort to name call

You make accusations about the faculty at York and the Centre of International and Security Studies and derogatory statements because they withdrew their support of your talk. You want the freedom of speech and thought and association for yourself but condemn those who wish to exercise their rights to freedom of speech, thought and association by excluding themselves from you and your talk.

Finally, some of the people posting here have made sweeping generalizations about Arabs, Muslims, Christians and the York community simply, it seems, based on your account of the day. I wonder if these same people would condone and/or appreciate such comments being made about Pro-Israelis or Pro-Jews or Daniel Pipes?

A lot of what has been said in some posts is quite reminiscent of comments made by others int he past who were condemned for what they said and thought, and rightfully so. To get an idea of what I mean, simply subsititue every instance of the word Arab with Jew, Muslim with Jew. Hitler would have been proud that his Nazi rhetoric has survived the ages even though he may not have been so pleased that the target is no longer the Jewish people.

Comments of this nature are not acceptable in reference to any people whether they be Arab or Jew. It was disgusting and horrifying from Hitler and the Nazi's back then. It's even more so today, when the previous targets and victims of such filth now see fit to direct it at another group. Semites are all Middle Easterns, not just Jews and Israelis. Interesting to see Anti-Semitic comments coming from a group of Semites themselves! Don't you think?!?!?!

I wonder if my post and freedom of speech and thought will survive the screening process, and show up in it's entirety and unedited, unabridged original form on this site. Will I be afforded the same rights that Daniel so wanted for himself at York, when I am now here, as he was at York, of the minority on this viewpoint?

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freedom
[w/response] [117 words]
John WilliamsJul 20, 2008 01:26
York University is distinct, great place to study and live. [291 words]M McArthurOct 18, 2005 16:03
I praise York for its unique political, social and educational experience [88 words]DominicNov 29, 2004 22:31
Freedom [244 words]Aral BalkanJun 12, 2004 19:46
I grieve for my native land [223 words]John D. JamesApr 23, 2004 18:02
Tyranny's Comfortable Liberal Campuses [426 words]Jonathan PfefferFeb 18, 2004 11:23
reply to Jeff Bercovitch [157 words]Peter J. HerzJan 12, 2004 03:00
IS IT TRUE TEL ME MR BUSH [125 words]esamDec 16, 2003 16:37
York University - do not recommend [110 words]Dr. DonaldsonDec 7, 2003 14:07
Truth always always wins! [112 words]Thomas R. BrooksAug 3, 2003 23:09
Please , don't let me vow be loyal to the queen [44 words]AnImmigrantMay 10, 2003 15:21
Another article from a Canadian newspaper [178 words]Meryl ArbingMar 12, 2003 12:43
What do you expect? [65 words]Mike DonovanFeb 16, 2003 13:30
York University - not surprising
[w/response] [452 words]
AdamFeb 16, 2003 12:08
Georgetown U Has a Dangerous Muslim Apologist [206 words]anthony meeFeb 14, 2003 23:16
Orwellian Freedom [293 words]John BorgmanFeb 11, 2003 19:53
Canada is a regional and diverse country [94 words]H.A. WhitfieldFeb 7, 2003 08:43
Canadian Attitudes [159 words]JSMFeb 5, 2003 21:33
McGill U in Montreal is no better [182 words]Jeff BercovitchFeb 3, 2003 12:54
Not just the universities [133 words]Dan RusenFeb 3, 2003 02:30
When did leftist professors become so anti-semitic? [117 words]Dave SchmidtFeb 2, 2003 19:51
Lebanon [70 words]Richard KhayatFeb 2, 2003 18:04
Constitution [85 words]Kevin SinclairFeb 2, 2003 13:14
Only we and Rand can stop rot [214 words]David in GeorgiaFeb 2, 2003 10:02
Will you be suing? [76 words]Nehama AbrahamiFeb 2, 2003 08:54
Dr. Pipes
[w/response] [22 words]
Bryna WeissFeb 2, 2003 03:12
Repress the repressors [86 words]Dan BloombergFeb 1, 2003 22:46
York University Pipes Protest Signs and Slogans [340 words]eyesoftheworldFeb 1, 2003 22:33
A True Voice [18 words]Tom BurkeFeb 1, 2003 18:27
Re: Roots of Leftist Leanings [49 words]Michael JoyceFeb 1, 2003 17:50
Canadian Politics does not reflect Canadian Popular Opinion [456 words]Richard YvesFeb 1, 2003 12:20
God help us [27 words]Chris McIntoshFeb 1, 2003 12:07
York University And Others [72 words]Eli LevanoniFeb 1, 2003 08:33
Not all of Canada is bad [153 words]JimmieFeb 1, 2003 02:40
Whatever happened to free speech? [472 words]Benjamin R. HosenFeb 1, 2003 01:56
How can we help?
[w/response] [121 words]
Bill HadneyJan 31, 2003 21:34
A "left winger"'s response [94 words]bob fusfeldJan 31, 2003 19:43
Campus Politics [124 words]Daniel TauberJan 31, 2003 19:16
So much for a free marketplace of ideas [35 words]Roberta ZelkhaJan 31, 2003 18:10
Appalling Destructive Behavior [62 words]Jean DuvivierJan 31, 2003 17:29
The insane are running the asylum [103 words]Nonie DarwishJan 31, 2003 17:19
Only in America ???? [45 words]Kermit J. Halperin, D.D.S.Jan 31, 2003 16:51
York University [97 words]Edward ClineJan 31, 2003 16:32
Truth & Irony [68 words]Bryan HoytJan 31, 2003 16:27
A rot in.......... [60 words]Max RoseJan 31, 2003 15:49
Roots of Leftist Leanings [279 words]Kevin KelleyJan 31, 2003 12:59
Communist vs. Racist [76 words]GCCJan 31, 2003 12:39
Arab Thugs: supplementary comment [74 words]YonasonJan 31, 2003 12:05
Thank you for taking a stand [191 words]Sara MillerJan 31, 2003 10:46
Academic Institutions are not Ideology-Free [202 words]Susan BradfordJan 31, 2003 10:45
Forgetting history [72 words]Robert BrownJan 31, 2003 10:34
Dhimmis [60 words]Mark E. LambrechtJan 31, 2003 10:29
⇒ Hmmmm
[w/response] [486 words]
SandraJan 31, 2003 10:09
Ashamed to be Canadian
[w/response] [128 words]
Patricia GamlielJan 31, 2003 09:59
Orwell's 1984 is here! [128 words]Dwight CastleJan 31, 2003 09:53
WE SUPPORT YOU [78 words]Sheri WhalenJan 31, 2003 09:18
Where do the children learn? [157 words]James MacekJan 31, 2003 09:16
Where the Left is taking us [202 words]Jeff M.Jan 31, 2003 08:31
Keep up the good work! [54 words]Ed RosenblattJan 31, 2003 07:40
Thanks for your efforts [56 words]Steven FeldmanJan 31, 2003 07:39
Canadian principles are shallow [110 words]G. GibreelJan 31, 2003 06:57
How Hitler Got Started [347 words]Robert AlexanderJan 31, 2003 06:34
Future Plans [37 words]StephenJan 31, 2003 04:58
Another reason [173 words]Barbara RunkelJan 31, 2003 04:56
The organization of hatred [29 words]Herb StoneJan 31, 2003 04:32
No diversity of opinion. [89 words]Vincent ChangJan 31, 2003 04:31
York University [92 words]Andrea HyattJan 31, 2003 03:17
PC ZOMBIES are destroying the West! [222 words]Marty ModanceJan 31, 2003 02:32
From an American in Saudi Arabia [168 words]Monica StowersJan 31, 2003 01:42
Very concerned Christian [39 words]Leola ZengelerJan 31, 2003 01:19
Freedom of thought [72 words]S.C.PandaJan 31, 2003 01:12
Don't Let The Idiots Muzzle You [197 words]Michael SweeneyJan 31, 2003 00:41
Arab Thugs [368 words]YonasonJan 31, 2003 00:19
Dry Rot is pervasive [92 words]Marvin KravetskyJan 30, 2003 23:39
Who's guarding the back door? [300 words]Jim RivardJan 30, 2003 23:15
Ignorance is NOT bliss! [218 words]SAJeffreyJan 30, 2003 23:10
Closing the door on freedom [199 words]Fergus SchappertJan 30, 2003 22:33
More people appreciate you than you know... [13 words]tom willisJan 30, 2003 22:04
Shame on us [179 words]Alexander KizukJan 30, 2003 21:32
York... [39 words]Steven LevineJan 30, 2003 21:20
Thank goodness for you! [9 words]Sally RogowJan 30, 2003 21:13
Canadian Stupidity [258 words]Arlinda DeAngelisJan 30, 2003 21:10
Dr. Pipes' double standard
[w/response] [93 words]
Shahram ShahJan 30, 2003 20:45
Speech at York University, Toronto, Ont. Canada [235 words]Leslie SatensteinJan 30, 2003 19:49
Round one, Dr Pipes! [211 words]Irving D. CohenJan 30, 2003 19:13
Are we becoming second class citizens? [290 words]Gabriel GrossoJan 30, 2003 18:47
Bravo [37 words]bunuelJan 30, 2003 18:39
Shame on them [78 words]Darcy MccannelJan 30, 2003 18:21
Free speech found in an unlikely place [86 words]Doris DarvasiJan 30, 2003 16:59
More then apology is required! [78 words]Edmund JamesJan 30, 2003 16:21
Rot, Indeed [56 words]"JB" in PGHJan 30, 2003 16:04
The People's Republic of Canada [45 words]Glenn KlotzJan 30, 2003 15:08
This is Not a Uniquely Canadian Problem [162 words]Ryan JamiesonMar 18, 2007 11:35
Cleaning out the rot [508 words]P KrenkelJan 30, 2003 14:06

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