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Ovais: On putting the cart before the horse and sundry other Islamist tricks

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Submitted by Plato (India), Aug 11, 2009 at 08:29

Ovais, you wrote,

>>greetings to christians jews and muslims all over the world.islam says that these people are the people from the book. ...<<

No greetings for polytheists, atheists, gays? Allah has a neat little caste system with Muslims on top followed by the Christians and then the Jews and Sabians. Polytheists, atheists or gays are the pariahs, untouchable, casteless people, who Allah burns in hell like the upper castes sometimes, do the pariahs in India.

>>how can war lead to peace.<<

Apparently the Koran does think war leads to peace for it tells Muslims that they must like war:

002.216 YUSUFALI: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

>>how can hatred win love.<<

The Koran does not want Muslims to win the love of non-Muslims even if they be their own close kin:

003.118 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom.

009.023 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

>>history tells us that islam spread beautifully ,its ideology first and then its force.<<

You got the cart before the horse. It was always Islamic force then its ideology. Recall the prophet's practically useless preaching of his ideology in Mecca for thirteen years and having only a handful of believers to show for it? But the moment Muhammad entered Mecca with his ten thousand armed men he had practically the whole of the city eating out his hand convinced of the 'beauty' of his ideology. The Koran itself crows about this "achievement":

110.001-002 YUSUFALI: When comes the Help of Allah, and Victory, And thou dost see the people enter Allah's Religion in crowds,

Islam entered Persia by force and then its ideology spread, so too in Egypt, Syria, India and most other countries which are Muslim today. Who are you trying to fool?

>>ask a jew what was your golden age and he will reply ,when muslims ruled spain. such was the harmony <<

You must be joking. What about under King Solomon or King David? Spain was about the only bright spot under Islam for the Jews and that probably because they had the intellectual capital the Muslim kings required. But they were dhimmis nevertheless.

>>in prophets time jews had so much respect for him. that era can be given as a best example of coexistence.<

You had me rolling on the floor with this claim of Jews respecting Muhammad. The Koran gives the lie to your claim:

005.082 YUSUFALI: Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans….

005.051 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors….

You are contradicting Allah with your claim that the Jews respected the prophet. Koran 5:82 is very clear that the Jews were the enemies of Muhammad and tells all believers not to make friends with them in 5:51. Would Mohammed defy Allah and respect Jews after Allah had given him these instructions? After this charge against them which Jew would respect him?

If you know your sira, Muhammad ordered the killing of any Jew who fell into a Muslim's hand and almost immediately one of his thugs in waiting followed it up and murdered his Jewish employer. His own brother, still a pagan, cried foul over this foul murder. Read 'The Life of Muhammad', page 369, by Ibn Ishaq, translated by Alfred Guillaume, Oxford University Press, Pakistan

>>muslim sharia is only for practising muslims.in a muslim country a person with other faith can practise his religion and muslims will have nothing to do with it.<<

In how many Muslim countries can people set up their own religion and practice it? In Iran the Bahais are a persecuted lot. In Pakistan the Hindus have been hounded out so that they now number less than 5% from nearly 20% at partition. In Saudi Arabia you cannot even take a bible into the country. Not many Muslim majority countries will allow idol worshippers to set up temples to their gods in sharp contrast to all non-Muslim countries allowing mosques to proliferate. You are simply playing the game of Muslims claiming all sorts of non-existent virtues for Islam.

>>in holy quran it is written that say to non muslims who dont want to accept islam "to you belong your religion and to me mine".<<

You had me rolling on the floor again. You have picked out an ayat delivered in Mecca when the powerless Prophet was all tolerance and for peaceful preaching to the pagans, Jews and Christians. Cut to Medina where he usurped power from the locals and now becomes an intolerant monotheist preacher bringing down curses and threats against the non-Muslims unless they caved in and accepted his Allah as the sole god. Read:

003.085 YUSUFALI: If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

003.083 YUSUFALI: Do they seek for other than the Religion of Allah?-while all creatures in the heavens and on earth have, willing or unwilling, bowed to His Will (Accepted Islam), and to Him shall they all be brought back.

22.19 : These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads,

009.033 YUSUFALI: It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).

>>muslim cannot impose laws on others but can wait untill your heart opens up.<<

You are again contradicting Allah, for He tells you in 5:21 that He must prevail, which obviously would include obedience to His laws. He is not talking about waiting for the non-Muslims' hearts to open up.

058.021 YUSUFALI: Allah has decreed: "It is I and My messengers who must prevail": For Allah is One full of strength, able to enforce His Will.

And His claim to be able to enforce His will does not make sense as despite His claim to strength He has not succeeded in making His messengers prevail by converting all of humanity to Islam.

In 9:29 Allah also wants Muslims to fight the non-Muslims until they a humiliation tax ( Muslims now dishonestly claim that this tax is to exempt them for military duty):

009.029 YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

You will notice that this verse is an unequivocal instruction to Muslims to fight all non-Muslims until they believe or pay a tax as protection money and as a demonstration of their humiliation..

>>but simultaneously islam does not like imorality inhumanity unequality immodesity corruption.<<

Your claim that Islam does not not like immorality, inhumanity, inequality and immodesty and corruption, again shows you have no clue to the true nature of Islam. Let me take them one by one:

1. immorality. Your prophet married his own adopted son's wife Zainab after having Allah send him permission. Even the jahiliya Arabs thought this an act of immorality. Muhammad also married Ayesha when she was six and slept with her when she was nine (we have seen innumerable attempts at trying to wriggle out of this patently immoral act, including mathematical calisthenics to pump up her age to near nineteen).

2. inhumanity. The prophet marries Juwairiya the same day he had her husband tortured and killed and takes her to bed even before sunrise the next day. He had all male members of the Banu Quraiza tribe beheaded on the trumped up charge of having conspired against the Muslims during the battle of the trench. The women and children were sold into slavery. All the gory details are there in the sira and hadith.

3. inequality. With a few verses Allah downgrades half of humanity to be second grade humans. Men are given the right to thrash women in 4:34. Women given only half the right of males in inheritance in 4:11. Women's testimony worth only half a man's in 2:282 and men made a degree above women in 2:228

4. immodesty. What is immodesty? Does a woman showing anything more of her body than her two eyes, two hands and her toes count as immodesty. Did Khadija the first Muslim woman wear the hijab?

5. corruption: It is a corrupt practice to give inducements or hold out threats to make people behave. The Koran is strewn with verses doing just that. For belief you are enticed with wine, women, food and an indolent and languorous life in a place called paradise. YUSUF ALI 055.056 In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-
038.052 And beside them will be chaste women restraining their glances, (companions) of equal age.

055.070 In them will be fair (Companions), good, beautiful;-

055.072 -75 Companions restrained (as to their glances), in (goodly) pavilions;-
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
Whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-

056.035 -38 We have created (their Companions) of special creation. And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled), - Beloved (by nature), equal in age,- For the Companions of the Right Hand.
078.032 -34YUSUFALI: Gardens enclosed, and grapevines; And voluptuous women of equal age; And a cup full (to the brim).

056.019 -22: No after-ache will they receive there from, nor will they suffer intoxication: And with fruits, any that they may select: And the flesh of fowls, any that they may desire. And (there will be) Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes,-

What have we learned from these verses about paradise? Allah stresses in many places that Muslims will be offered chaste women who coyly restrain their glances (why? Did the Arabs of the time consider this sexy?). The women would not have been touched or defiled by man or jinn (i.e virgins, always in demand by Arabs), and they would be voluptuous (big bosoms, again in demand in Arabia) and they would have big lustrous eyes. Writing this even I was salivating for Allah's paradise! Then which of the favours of their Lord will the Muslims deny?? (You will also have noticed that women are not offered similar pleasures with tall handsome,muscular men.)
All this hankering for fair and undefiled females is disdained in this life. Allah reserves it for paradise. Actually, Allah even offers bribes to poor believers to strengthen their faith in the form of money collected from rich Muslims. 009.060 YUSUFALI: Alms are for the poor and the needy, and those employed to administer the (funds); for those whose hearts have been (recently) reconciled (to Truth); ….

As For those who are not convinced with all these earthly pleasures in paradise Allah lays out in detail the excruciating punishment for not being a believer. 004.056 YUSUFALI: Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

Truly, Allah is exalted in power and Wise too!

>>muslims are important part of society just like others and those who demand tolerance are themselves not ready to coexist .they dont see the full picture.<<

You have not named the ones who demand tolerance and refuse to co-exist. Let us examine the extent of Muslim tolerance and co-existence. In the land of the prophet no other religion is not allowed to co-exist with Islam. In Iran Bahais and Sunnis are always under threat. In Pakistan Hindus have been hounded out of their ancestral homes and Ahmadias have been reduced to nonentities. Ahmadias like other Muslims are a flourishing community in India, a land of unbelievers. In Iraq and Lebanon the Christians are a fast depleting faith. In Afghanistan Muslims demand jiziya from the kafirs. In Sudan the Charistians and animists have been under attack and hundreds of thousands killed and made homeless.

Cut to the non-Muslim countries. In India the Muslim population is growing faster than that of the Hindus. Muslims occupy some of the most powerful and coveted positions in the country. In the West Muslims enjoy the unfettered practice of their religion, except when it infringes on the freedoms and culture of the land.

>>they want to keep half of the people happy and as a result the other half will struggle resulting in discomfort to all.this world is like a human body if it is pricked any where the whole body feels the pain. REST IS UP TO YOU TO DESIDE WHAT IS BEST FOR US.<<

You are doing better in the non-Muslim world than in your Islamic countries. Muslims make a beeline for countries like the US, UK, Australia and when well settled want to revert back to the ways of the old country which they had fled.

You don't know what is best for Muslims, Mr. Ovais.

Regards

Plato

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32Sufi Soomro: Let me astonish you. Your taqia has gone wrong [801 words]PlatoSep 16, 2009 00:16161102
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23To Plato [110 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 17, 2009 03:24161102
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I need a happy pill. [55 words]LynnSep 2, 2009 08:42160964
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2wrong assertion [45 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanAug 29, 2009 23:21160779
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a universal sharia [34 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanAug 29, 2009 23:18160708
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11sharia sucks big time [532 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 7, 2009 17:36160708
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4no offence taken [763 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 9, 2009 22:31160708
35I wouldn't do that, Abdullah. [202 words]JeffSep 9, 2009 22:46160708
4Abdullah Serif: But Allah does curse Jews [153 words]PlatoSep 10, 2009 09:00160708
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You appear to be incorrect [120 words]EdwinJun 18, 2010 23:33160708
You are correct [119 words]EdwinJun 18, 2010 23:45160708
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3Something wrong with sharia law [459 words]JeffAug 24, 2009 18:29160559
Response [408 words]helenAug 26, 2009 06:26160559
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3I just had to respond this nighmare... Helen get some tutoring!!!! [1301 words]RikkiAug 27, 2009 00:28160559
3sharia is for losers [405 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanAug 27, 2009 06:16160559
1Grow up! [27 words]LiamAug 27, 2009 06:27160559
92helen: Beheading is halal and was practiced regularly by the Prophet [1616 words]PlatoAug 27, 2009 23:27160559
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response [142 words]helenAug 28, 2009 09:24160559
2nd response [15 words]helenAug 28, 2009 09:29160559
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3To the sensitive, emotional Helen [603 words]JeffAug 28, 2009 20:53160559
3living in delusion [1328 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanAug 28, 2009 21:03160559
2ignorance posing as insight [76 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanAug 29, 2009 23:26160559
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2helen: Allah created the Satanic drink alcohol! [512 words]PlatoAug 30, 2009 06:38160559
1the mythical islamic paradise under sharia. [919 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanAug 31, 2009 06:29160559
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2Actually Plato, "Allah" of Islam is not Yahweh of Bible [68 words]DevasahayamSep 1, 2009 19:42160559
3didactic statements [1249 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 1, 2009 23:58160559
2Devasahayam: Thanks for the information [50 words]PlatoSep 2, 2009 01:14160559
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5Our dear Helen and speaking of delusions [660 words]dhimmi no moreSep 7, 2009 07:53160559
1Jaladhi, that would be conceptually absurd [157 words]DevasahayamSep 7, 2009 12:23160559
1Shamsud and hypocrisy!!! [803 words]JaladhiSep 7, 2009 14:30160559
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3Bravo Dhimmi No More. Tell it like it is lad [46 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 22, 2009 08:14160559
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22Upholding human values is the essence! [154 words]MsMJun 24, 2010 02:26160559
1Helen is out of line with Sharia [18 words]Guy MacherOct 17, 2010 19:51160559
16Opposition to Shariah is symbolic to Futile Self-Destruction. [129 words]MsMApr 11, 2011 13:23160559
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1why are people reverting to islam??? [34 words]helenAug 28, 2009 09:52160508
2leaving Islam [87 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanAug 28, 2009 19:46160508
The one way street of conversion [54 words]JeffAug 28, 2009 21:03160508
Regarding your response to my post [67 words]KathyAug 28, 2009 21:13160508
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revert [47 words]helenJun 20, 2010 05:47160508
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Woah slow your roll mate.. [79 words]JWSep 10, 2009 10:00160481
1Its Homosexual not gay. [217 words]gordon weareSep 11, 2009 03:57160481
To Oppose Shariah is to Treat (only) Symptoms [328 words]Alain Jean-MairetAug 20, 2009 11:32160474
Daniel Pipes [167 words]Yasin AzizAug 18, 2009 06:55160348
Yasin Aziz Comments [140 words]EuskalHerriaAug 19, 2009 21:12160348
2Yasin Aziz: If Islam is not a missionising religion, why did the Prophet preach Islam? [647 words]PlatoAug 20, 2009 07:51160348
2Yasin Aziz: Islamic governance and the Sharia give us the shivers [658 words]PlatoAug 20, 2009 07:53160347
For Gururaj [46 words]DevasahayamAug 17, 2009 10:51160319
Islam and Termite [141 words]B.N.GururajAug 16, 2009 23:41160294
1Islam? [93 words]GentlemanJul 15, 2012 04:19160294
Intelligent debate futile with these people [427 words]DEBORAH THE JUDGEAug 14, 2009 19:24160208
12Islam is the Problem [218 words]BonnieAug 14, 2009 16:16160205
3Yes, (Bonnie): so called moderate Muslims are the real problem [83 words]Alain Jean-MairetAug 15, 2009 10:36160205
Alain Jean-Mairet [45 words]Yasin AzizAug 18, 2009 06:34160205
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4the reason [97 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanAug 27, 2009 17:12160205
7Aania Ahmed: Read what is in the Koran before burning in anger at non-Muslims [1560 words]PlatoAug 29, 2009 05:57160205
6Aania Ahmed. How does it feel like it to be at the receiving end? [389 words]PlatoSep 1, 2009 04:12160205
It does one good to look into the mirror upon occasion. The truth is not always so pretty as that which is imagined. [197 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 15, 2009 16:59160205
To the Muslim community at large [265 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 15, 2009 21:37160205
Are you kidding me? [48 words]SarahNov 20, 2009 00:06160205
Head in the sands of time. [61 words]John ButtsDec 16, 2009 14:43160205
Why Pipes should be opposed? [64 words]Ghulam Muhammed, MumbaiAug 12, 2009 12:01160106
the difference is ... [272 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 2, 2009 17:11160106
so proud of daniel pipes [88 words]muslim resisterAug 11, 2009 23:54160077
Hypocrisy, thy name is.... [124 words]JaladhiAug 11, 2009 11:30160050
Imposition of Shari'a Requires Elimination of Liberty-Free Will Necessary to Seek the Truth [519 words]M. ToveyAug 11, 2009 11:20160049
Sharai the Islamic Law in the West [93 words]BK KAULAug 11, 2009 03:47160032
this doesnt make sense [53 words]helenAug 28, 2009 09:49160032
1Helen: Islam is all about gender bias and you are at the receiving end. That is the sense you get from the Koran [390 words]PlatoAug 29, 2009 06:06160032
And many Jews are liberal [54 words]Gerald MucciAug 10, 2009 22:41160022
Another tidbit to add [65 words]DevasahayamAug 10, 2009 15:27160000
why sharia must not be opposed [232 words]ovaisAug 10, 2009 12:17159988
1Yah, sure, you betcha... [78 words]gernonimoAug 10, 2009 22:57159988
1Ovais: On putting the cart before the horse and sundry other Islamist tricks [2334 words]PlatoAug 11, 2009 08:29159988
shariah law comes from mohammed, nuff said. [144 words]Phil GreendAug 9, 2009 22:22159940
And it makes me laugh..., [880 words]MayeedAug 9, 2009 10:49159889
14Mayeed: It makes us laugh too when you say Islam and sharia are the solution. Part I [2021 words]PlatoAug 10, 2009 07:42159889
commenting mayeed: promise of western society, values, women and one question [534 words]arnoAug 10, 2009 07:49159889
7Mayeed: It makes us laugh too when you say Islam and sharia are the solution. Part II [1662 words]PlatoAug 12, 2009 21:36159889
1correct [31 words]helenAug 28, 2009 09:58159889
MISSIONIZING? Too benign [65 words]Meyse KapeyrAug 9, 2009 07:16159883
The Muslim Council of Britain encourages violence [109 words]philipAug 8, 2009 22:21159862
Islam is for all; Judaism was for one community alone [174 words]Mohideen IbramshaAug 8, 2009 21:18159860
Differences between Halacha and Sharia [329 words]DevasahayamAug 8, 2009 19:24159854
Halacha and non-Jews [116 words]Avi KeslingerJul 14, 2014 01:57159854
Re. Why Shariah Must Be Opposed [25 words]Bryan TaplitsAug 8, 2009 10:09159837
We must fight against Charî'a [114 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreAug 8, 2009 06:16159824
Watch for the spreaders of Islam. [372 words]batya daganAug 8, 2009 01:42159818
What's needed is another Napoleon Conference for Islamic - Sharia Law [195 words]David J JonahAug 7, 2009 06:16159781
Christians, hough, are the real danger... or so we are told. [233 words]ZarvoeAug 7, 2009 01:32159778
What part of "Sharia Law has already been instituted into the U.S. Treasury Dept" do you not understand? And how much else? [217 words]kmanAug 7, 2009 00:55159777
No to Shari'a, yes to freedom of choice [403 words]Rebecca MouldsAug 6, 2009 18:58159765
Complete Freedom of Choice [105 words]K SelfMadeManOct 22, 2009 09:15159765
Sharia must be made illegal [90 words]DavePAug 6, 2009 18:08159762
WHY "RESPECTING THEIR BELIEFS IS NON-SENSE [43 words]JWAug 29, 2009 02:51159762
3Churchill's view of Muslims [333 words]Edmund Onward JamesAug 6, 2009 17:26159761
Why Sharia Must be Opposed- I agree with Mr. Ahmad. [138 words]Anne-USAAug 6, 2009 17:05159760
Why the key point of difference [177 words]Stuart TeichAug 6, 2009 16:05159759
Can We Take A "Breather" Here...?? [177 words]Sheldon TyberAug 6, 2009 15:35159756
Anyone Immigrating Here [65 words]DaveAug 6, 2009 14:13159754
hijab in the eighties [36 words]arnoAug 6, 2009 13:00159752
dogmatic violent government [215 words]ArnoAug 6, 2009 12:37159749
Not only the Sharia but also ... [256 words]George PAug 6, 2009 12:05159745
Perfidous Albion [80 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDAug 6, 2009 11:41159743
Shariah IS NOT of God, Yahweh [88 words]Neal S BishopAug 6, 2009 10:29159741
Excellent! [41 words]Chris BlizzardAug 6, 2009 09:37159740
This isn't imposing Shariah [38 words]MichaelAug 6, 2009 04:56159733
Of course it is [66 words]FreedomAug 30, 2009 06:14159733
Do we need a reason? [15 words]rjjrdqAug 6, 2009 03:48159732
Obama-Holder Dept of Justice Is Suing Essex, New Jersey Police Dept. [392 words]Sofa SogoodAug 6, 2009 02:40159727
My take on Why Shariah Must Be Opposed [321 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyAug 5, 2009 23:23159719
4Curmally: My take on your angst [1775 words]PlatoAug 9, 2009 04:00159719
MR. PLATO ISLAMIC LAWS ARE TO SAVE NON- MUSLIMS TOO [26 words]MasoodAug 10, 2009 00:52159719
3Masood, name a country which uses sharia to protect non-Muslims [178 words]PlatoAug 12, 2009 21:40159719
response 2 [97 words]helenAug 28, 2009 09:46159719
This arrogance I cannot ignore! [298 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 15, 2009 15:54159719
Reply to [710 words]Faza;l Habib CurmallySep 15, 2009 22:27159719
Again to Faza;l Curmally [1017 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 17, 2009 02:52159719
4Curmally: Should not the kaffir's blood boil at the hate in the Koran for non-Muslims?? [2950 words]PlatoSep 18, 2009 08:03159719
Reply to Plato (India), Sep 18, 2009 -Why Shariah must be oppposed [70 words]Fazal Habib CurmallySep 19, 2009 21:56159719
Reply to Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemi (United States), Sep 17, 2009 -Why Shariah must be opposed [743 words]Fazal Habib CurmallySep 19, 2009 22:49159719
AAAK!!! Mr. Cumally!!! [1216 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 21, 2009 20:33159719
4dhimmi no more: Hope Bilal reads this [572 words]PlatoSep 21, 2009 23:47159719
Shari'a is Inconsistent with the Truth of the Holy Bible - Denial of the Need for Jesus Christ and His Love is the Basis of Islam [804 words]M. ToveySep 23, 2009 13:36159719
Why Shari'a must be opposed. [65 words]Fazal Habib CurmallySep 24, 2009 01:08159719
Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemi - Why Shari'ah must be opposed. [60 words]Fazal Habib CurmallySep 24, 2009 01:14159719
3Curmally: This is a tough blog. Religious sentiments can get hurt if you visit here [221 words]PlatoSep 25, 2009 06:20159719
Why Shariah Must Be Opposed [363 words]Mike GhouseAug 5, 2009 20:08159712
A further difference re Judaism [131 words]Peter HerzAug 5, 2009 19:14159706
Sharia in the west [100 words]Dick MullikenAug 5, 2009 17:02159704
Brits and Shariah [123 words]Samuel StephensAug 5, 2009 16:28159703
Imagine: How the American landscape will look after eight years of Obamacare gradualism of Islamic Law. [67 words]Josephine Lydia ChilversAug 5, 2009 15:38159702
and yet.... [19 words]DaveAug 5, 2009 14:31159700
Shariah versus Halakha [177 words]Nenette GrunbergAug 5, 2009 14:02159699
One bad example, one good example [39 words]ednaAug 5, 2009 13:11159697
How the mighty have fallen [49 words]tommy3lions,Aug 5, 2009 13:05159696
Clear lines to be drawn [269 words]Geert ter HorstAug 5, 2009 12:52159694
i agree with the conclusion but for different reason [84 words]james derryAug 5, 2009 12:49159693
Western Baby Deficit + Muslim Baby Boom = Disaster for Western Values [507 words]GWKAug 5, 2009 12:34159690
Why Shariah Must Be Opposed [97 words]Aaryan AhmadAug 5, 2009 11:45159684
3Reply to Aaryan Ahmad [64 words]DevasahayamAug 6, 2009 15:52159684
Sorry, but... [97 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
A. NonymousAug 5, 2009 11:13159683
tread [37 words]sandiAug 5, 2009 11:03159682
Dhimmis [34 words]LogiconAug 5, 2009 10:38159680

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