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Why I am not surprised
Reader comment on article: Saudis Import Slaves to America

Submitted by CCW, Jul 17, 2007 at 21:03

Despite the many responses to this article and the many responses to those responses I feel that few are being rational about it. The man who said that he knew the family that employed the woman obviously feels a need to defend them, and he does this by pointing out that the woman never complained to him. However, it's reasonable to think that she never complained because there was no one she trusted enough to complain to. If this man was a friend of the family, of course this woman would not reveal her situation to him.

And also, many have made comments which make it seem as if they believe Saudi Arabians are evil or something, and that we should their immigrants back, or else attack them, and I have to say these are the most depressing responses of all. Even if slavery (which I believe is wrong) is deeply ingrained in their culture many educated societies have done similiar and worse deeds. A societies ignorance has nothing to do with how it treats others. Do I have to remind you that in the U.S. most white southerners were poor, but those that weren't, those that were grossly rich because they were plantation owners, were the most educated of all (one of many reasons the south started out with better military leaders during the Civil War). Or that what was once the center of culture for the western world became hell on earth for Jews who happened to be living in Germany during WWII. Most occurences of one society openly victimizing innocent people comes from them first dehumanizing those people. Every society and culture has done this, it's not because the culture is evil, it is because we are all human. Banning all Saudis from the U.S. won't change that. It will just make us more ignorant to foreign cultures. And attacking Saudi Arabia when our military is already overextended (and attacking anyone without first exploring other options) is foolish.

I would also like to point out that Islam is not the problem. Even if the Qur'an allows for slavery and rape it is not the only religious book that does so. The Bible has a lot on slaves and rape. The Bible tells slaves to be obedient to masters and to work hard. It also encourages women to marry their rapists. And there are several stories of holy men having sexual relations with servant girls (sometimes at the requests of barren wives). Does that mean Christianity is evil? Every holy book is up to the interpretation of the people who read it. The fact that both books were written in a different time in a different culture means that always literally interpreting everything is a practice that is a little outdated. Plus, the fact that over 70% of U.S. citizens claim that they belong to some sort of Chrisitian denomination (World Factbook), but don't practice slavery proves that what a holy book allow,s a culture does not have to do. Islam is not the problem. It can exist seperate of slavery, and making it seem otherwise is a misjudgement on both sides.

Some have also made the case that slaves today are treated better than slaves back in the day, but how can we know this is true? The only people who have truly known how horrifying slavery was in the past were the slaves themselves, and when they spoke out about their situation, few would believe them. In fact, many claimed that blacks were happy to be slaves, and some even asserted that blacks needed to be enslaved because they would die without it. How can we know that the situation isn't the same today? Just because some claim that slavery isn't as harsh doesn't mean that they know the true story,

And finally, the last comment I have to make is on the tie between African slaves and Islam. I would like to point out that pretty much every religion that was around at least 200 years ago allowed for slavery at some time or another (many have changed their beliefs and newer sects tend to be anti-slavery). This is not just Christianity, Judaism, and Islam which have the same roots, but also Eastern religions, African religions, and indigenous religions from pretty much everywhere. Yes, many African slavers were Islamic, but slavery is not and was not a distinctly Muslim practice, in fact most slave owners owned peoples of their own racial and religious background (one of the things that makes American slavery so unique). Many have said that the growth in Muslim African Americans is odd because of the fact that their ancestors were enslaved by Muslim traders, but every religion has enslaved people of it's own religion. Just because African Americans haven't historically been Muslims doesn't mean anything.


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Why all the talk about religion? [58 words]JamesJun 29, 2008 12:55
Facts taken out of context [107 words]Mr. ExpatriateJun 22, 2008 12:41
funny... you know what? [222 words]NanaMay 20, 2008 23:12
Saudi as the trade zone for the slaves??? [210 words]Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhDOct 23, 2007 05:53
Christianity and Nazism [141 words]FernandoSep 11, 2007 18:01
christianity and nazism [108 words]btillyAug 1, 2008 21:27
Please Publish Internationally [32 words]Tahir JavedSep 5, 2007 14:58
islam is all about abuse and control [157 words]Phil GreendAug 26, 2007 15:13
To be fair... [46 words]FernandoSep 10, 2007 22:14
⇒ Why I am not surprised [804 words]CCWJul 17, 2007 21:03
It happens everyday and all over the world [216 words]CandideJul 11, 2008 03:50
(Slavery in Islam) I do not agree with your opinion, mind can translate anything to anything [227 words]Azam KhanJul 17, 2007 02:55
Azam Khan you are right. [97 words]RommelAug 9, 2007 09:12
just so [124 words]TerrySep 23, 2007 17:05
It's a fact....but not necessarily the truth. [108 words]RommelSep 24, 2007 21:02
So where is the promotion of freedom? [170 words]RaulFeb 28, 2007 14:14
Two Interesting Points. [379 words]YnnaFeb 18, 2007 17:02
Different point of view [157 words]um sashaJan 6, 2007 21:33
SLAVERY DOES INDEED OCCUR IN SAUDI ARABIA!!!! [272 words]Michael MFeb 20, 2007 10:21
Slavery, lack of basic rights in many muslim countries. [200 words]Farooq KhanMar 9, 2007 18:32
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Maid for Abuse [1 words]Sanjay ManjrekarMar 21, 2007 20:13
Me too [62 words]TerryMar 25, 2007 17:15
take it to oprah [27 words]jacqueline russoApr 27, 2007 15:41
SAUDI ARABIA AND SLAVERY [924 words]TMay 6, 2007 13:55
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Not just Filllipinos [34 words]true believerJul 13, 2007 05:16
wish you well [32 words]JoyceJul 17, 2007 23:27
ARAB SLAVE TRADE, Mohammad was not black, and Persians were conquered by Arabs. [657 words]SatantiagoAug 9, 2007 17:19
It's not only third world domestics.... [16 words]PGSep 26, 2007 17:56
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Unless ! [37 words]dfwhite19438Apr 1, 2008 21:31
Slavery in Saudi arabia [162 words]Kenneth T. TellisMay 23, 2008 12:38
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Islamic slavery [344 words]rickApr 24, 2006 13:05
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This is not the whole picture!! [170 words]KhalidApr 2, 2007 22:22
nonsense [116 words]TerryApr 3, 2007 18:22
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stay away from the thing called keyboard actual muslim .. seriously [448 words]middle-east-ern :DFeb 11, 2008 12:07
You'r kiddin, right!!! [29 words]Hamzah KattanDec 11, 2005 03:11
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Arabian Knights around the campfire (Black Muslims)....Ray [669 words]Survivor of JihadOct 14, 2005 07:12
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reply to the un-educated people out there [144 words]A.A.AAug 24, 2005 11:49
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BaderJun 24, 2005 11:09
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Not a surprise at all. [145 words]Kevin M.Jun 17, 2005 08:51
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[w/response] [184 words]
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Funny indeed, Aliyah [879 words]JeffAug 10, 2007 21:53
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