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in response to reader comment: To ahmedzafire: Have and enjoy your rights, freely given, in kafirland. We know we cannot expect as much in Muslimland.

Submitted by ahmad zafire (United States), Jun 11, 2007 at 23:20

Hello Plato

Let me try to answer your questions.....

What exactly are you trying to say Zafire? That many Muslims also do not understand the Koran. But the koran says it is easy to understand. So is the Koran wrong? How many tasfirs must we read to understand it. With so many tasfirs contradicting each other, like Koranic verses contradicting themselves they are in good company, how will anyone ever understand the koran? As you admit, Allah did not make everyone perfect, then why does He expect perfection from us? No.... i believe that the Koran is correct in all ways but lets understand that the word Koran means "recite". Therefore meaning the Koran was memorized word for word by fellow muslims and converts. The written form or book didn't exist until maybe hundreds of years after islam started.

Now during that time through different races,cultures and language could man have changed some of their interpretation of the meaning and the koran. Is it likely? yes...it's wouldnt been impossible because man is always subject to error. That's as perfect we are going to get for now in this age and time. But since the koran has been written to book form ,it the book that hasn't been revised.

When I read the Koran it tells me that I am unclean, blind, deaf and dumb. It also tells me that I am condemned for ever to hell. It informs me that it has told its followers to give me a hard time and if I am a person of the Book I must pay a humiliation tax. The Koran tells me that it has told its faithfuls not to be friendly with me. It tells me that when a Muslim makes a covenant with me he is free to tear it up almost anytime, as that is what Allah instructed his Rasool to do and good Muslims follow the example he has set. Have I misinterpreted the Koran, Zafire?? To me its talk about different times inwhich all infidel ae unclean. Meaning of infidels" unbelivers" and muslim ar subject to this also because just because they may not be a true believer.

What is a muslim? That is funny, a Muslim asking that. Isn't repeating the shahada what makes a Muslim? Everything else is secondary. All Muslim sins are washed away by a short sojourn in hell. You must know that Zafire. Yes and all religions urge people to live good lives but for Allah even if Buddhists, Hindus, Christians and Jews live far better lives than any Muslim (e.g Buddha, Gandhi, Mother Teresa) they still end up in His hell. Imagine Buddha, Gandhi and Mother Teresa being toasted in hell despite being ideal humans (but did not say the Shahada) along with Hitler, Stalin and Mao, while Mahmoud of Gazni, Ghori, Taimur and Saddam all enjoy heaven because they intoned the shahada when alive!!! No other religion teaches such discrimination except the religion of submission. For Allah it is not ethical behaviour of humans that matters but mindlessly repeating the shahada that is the most important criteria of being a good person.

Again...yes a muslim take the Shahada but that do not make them muslim. One may declare the faith but not live it. In islam everybody is born muslim ecause islam means "submitt to the will of G-d" and the and purest form of islam is when one a baby. Because you are too young to be taught hate,evil or wrongdoing. You are at most 100% at the will of G-d do to the faith you can't do for yourself.

My powers of interpretation and perception fail in trying to figure out what you have said. But some questions come to mind. What is this path of righteousness that you talk about that true Muslims must follow? It would be interesting to hear from you what the path of righteouness is.

The rightous path is to follow the laws that we sent for mankind the ten commandments live the koran and be peaceful to others.

What happens when the laws of the land clash with your beliefs. Like in Denmark which allows freedom of the media but muslims are against such freedom or want to curb it. You know what I am talking about. Or in France where you cannot exhibit your religious symbols?

When that happens there are other ways to get around them and still pratice faith accordingly. I alway found a way to. Can't see why anyone else way have one...but i guess its just me.

This statement of yours is also a bit beyond my power of interpretation and perception. But let me try. When you say 'all faiths express this meaning to be true to your faith' you really mean the Judaic faiths don't you? Can you accept the polytheistic Hindu or the agnostic/atheistic Buddhist can also be true to their faiths and righteous as Allah wants?

Islam teaches to respect everyone all faiths and people.

Muslims have it easy in kaffirland. But what about kafirs in Muslimland? Muslims can practice their faith among the infidels including the adhan blaring out five times a day from innumerable mosques in infidel nations. Now when you see a Hindu procession carrying one of their god's through the streets of Mecca, that will be the day Islam liberates itself from the Allah-imposed apartheid against all other faiths. HAOOH!!

Not as much as you think....Things happen here too, just undercover....check the stats. before no one really cared or felt threatened by muslims. Check the crime rate in America on muslims...it's at all time high. But how gets the bad end of it too. hindus,natives and indians because some dumb america were so crazy to think they arab. In most cases would probably think an arab as hispanic or something.



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