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Submitted by mariana (United States), Jun 8, 2007 at 14:03

RE: Reminder for Marina and All those Eager to Expel Muslims from USA. free bee Jun 7, 2007 15:20

Mariana- Whose ways? free bee Jun 7, 2007 15:40

Dear free bee:

Since you didn't bother to read Dr Pipe's article, I'm not surprise you only "glimpsed" my response long enough to get yourself all uppity and teed-off.

">> Had you bothered to read Dr. Pipes' article, you'd understand that your statement is inaccurate and dishonest on its face, like most of the nonsense emanating from Islamist sources. "

I was actually pretty specific:

">>Here's a curious thing: Hindus, Yogis, Buddhists, Shintoists, Santarians, Christian Protestants, Jews, Animists, Catholics, Christian Orthodox, Native American Traditionalists, and all other religions are practiced in America by people of all sizes, shapes, colours, ethnicities and nationalities... and even those Muslims of all sects who want to live, work and worship here in peace, do so with no problems or interference. Islamists have brought their fulminating Evangelical Hatreds and "Terrorism" to America, India, Pakistan, Dar Fur, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Jordan, Kurdistan, Turkey, Eurabia, Bali, Australia, Argentina, Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, etc., etc., ad infinitum! THEY refuse to get along with anyone and everyone; Refuse to live under the laws of any of the countries they've invaded or into which they've infiltrated, and then whine and moan, claiming "discrimination."

In order to assist you, let me pull out my "bottom line" speaking of "Islamists:"

">> THEY refuse to get along with anyone and everyone; Refuse to live under the laws of any of the countries they've invaded or into which they've infiltrated, and then whine and moan, claiming "discrimination." "

">>WE DO DEMAND that so long as you're here, you follow our laws and join our way of life, and not actively subvert or attempt to destroy it. "

">2. If you think Spreading Islam in America is equal to spreading Terrorism, then your understanding about Islam is Dead Wrong ! And You are learning your ISLAM from Extremists ! Believe it or not, Islam and Muslims are HERE TO STAY for a Very LONG time, just like Middle East, Asia, Africa and Europe. Proof: Look at the # of Muslims increase in State and Federal congress. "

This last from your posting, misses the point entirely [deliberately?] !

There are Evangelical American religious sects [including Muslims] who actually go from door to door [in pairs]. They are polite, clean, well dressed and presentable; they ring a bell, introduce themselves and ask if the person is interested. If not, they politely say "God Bless You, Good Bye," and go away. If you demonstrate interest, they will give you literature and actually sit down and do Bible [Koran; Book of Mormon] readings and [teach] study with you. If you're really interested, they'll make an appointment for regular "classes," invite you to attend their congregation, and come back as/if you wish. Now read this carefully, and then again. There is nothing violative of American Law or sensibilities here. Nothing abusive. Nothing intollerant. Nothing racist [people of all colors do this here]. Not incivil. It is all completely voluntary. THIS IS THE AMERICAN WAY.

These "Evangelicals" are acting out of the LOVE their sects teach; they actually believe they are assisting you to save your soul. If you are interested, they'll diligently assist you to save your soul, their way. If not, they leave and that's that. They might check back in 6 months or a year to see if you've possibly changed your mind, but the process is the same. THIS IS THE AMERICAN WAY.

">1. Maybe you forgot but: America is NOT only for Christians and Jews. America is NOT only for White boys and White gals."

Please re-read paragraph 3 this posting; but to make it a bit simpler, here's the meat of the qualifier:

">> ...and all other religions are practiced in America by people of all sizes, shapes, colours, ethnicities and nationalities... and even those Muslims of all sects who want to live, work and worship here in peace, do so with no problems or interference. Islamists have brought their fulminating Evangelical Hatreds and "Terrorism" to America, India, Pakistan, Dar Fur, Ethiopia.....[see above for the rest]."

DO YOU SEE: "MUSLIMS" accused of anything, anywhere in this content? Has there been anything nasty said about: Muslims, Shi'ia, Alawai, Sunni? NO, the operant word was "ISLAMIST," and while there are Islamists within all of the categories and sects listed above, it is quite clear that I was explicitly not referring to them: ">>...and even those Muslims of all sects who want to live, work and worship here in peace, do so with no problems or interference. "

You, dear free bee, have been using Dr. Pipe's blog long enough to understand the distinctions here made, and therefore, your posting is disingenuous in it's entirety.

"> But why do I have to follow "your way of life" Please cite examples. "

You might begin with my ENTIRE statement: ">> WE DO DEMAND that so long as you're here, you follow our laws and join our way of life, and not actively subvert or attempt to destroy it." How could anything in this prior sentence confuse you? As for examples, instead of looking for a fight, learn something about the place you live [even if you happen to be a citizen; even if you were born here].....this is from the Bill of Rights:

"Amendment I: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "

This is good enough for me. All religions which do not injure "others" or violate American Civil or Criminal laws are just fine with me. There was nothing in any posting I've ever placed anywhere that even hints of the nonsense you and your brother, the Rev. John Robinson, Jr. raise with your [straw dog] postings. The problem with Islamists [and "PC" post-Modernists, for that matter] is that they INSIST upon FORCING everyone to believe in THEIR GOD [or opinions], THEIR WAY or subjugating, discrediting or eliminating them. That is violative of American Law and "The American Way;" it is explicitly un-American, and unacceptable to me.

">> What is it about THESE PEOPLE from FAILED societies? They come to the freest, most open, welcoming and successful society the world has ever seen;..." ">>...{they} INSIST on devolving us to the chaos of the tyrannies that spewed them." Any questions about this?

">What are your ways? Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Buddihist, Shinto Ways?"

Why don't you pick the group you Hate, Revile, and feel most Threatened by, and assign it to me. I can afford it. That way, you can reinforce your "right-thinking" and be comfortably at rest.

Now, I really enjoyed this little piece of misdirection in your posting. It was prettily done: ">... So if you still think Muslims are Criminals/terrorists, then I simply say... "

Being as Civil and Polite as I possibly can be, I'll simply say: POPPYCOCK! mariana

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