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Free bee: I will submit to Islam but conditions apply.

Reader comment on item: Islamists in the Courtroom
in response to reader comment: To Romesh for Halal food

Submitted by Plato (United Arab Emirates), Jun 8, 2007 at 04:38

Free bee you wrote to Romesh:

"Cows are Halal/Kosher for Muslim.
Is that why you are angry?

Also please consult your Rig Veda (seriously) which prophesies about Prophet Muhammed (s). I read it my self. It says "he will born on Soomwar (Monday) and even tells the time of his birth. So now, Submit to ISLAM."

Free bee your knowledge about India is very limited. There are communities in India still (Kerala, North Eastern states) where Hindus eat beef. Also since you have referred to the Rig Veda, you should know that in Vedic times there was no particular prohibition against cow meat. That is a later taboo though the cow has been considered sacred since time immemorial by many Hindu sects. There is even now a controversy raging whether Hindu scriptures have a blanket ban on cow meat.

Now since the Rig Veda prophesies about Mohammed, it must mean that what it contains is the truth. You could at least have given the reference in the scripture for us to check.

And you cannot have only one or two sentences that are true. Since you have set up the Rig Veda as some sort of gold standard, it having predicted the day and even the time of your prophet's birth, and it also talks about all sorts of other gods, are you willing to accept that these gods also exist besides your self-applauding Allah? I can hear you murmur tauba, tauba.

I will submit to Islam but conditions apply. Here they are:

The Rig Veda has this to say about creation which is quite different from what the person who is predicted in it says:

Song of Creation

Then there was neither Aught nor Nought, no air nor sky beyond.

What covered all? Where rested all? In watery gulf profound?

Nor death was then, nor deathlessness, nor change of night and day.

That One breathed calmly, self-sustained; nought else beyond it lay.

Gloom hid in gloom existed first - one sea, eluding view.

That One, a void in chaos wrapt, by inward fervour grew.

Within it first arose desire, the primal germ of mind,

Which nothing with existence links, as sages searching find.

The kindling ray that shot across the dark and drear abyss-

Was it beneath? or high aloft? What bard can answer this?

There fecundating powers were found, and mighty forces strove-

A self-supporting mass beneath, and energy above.

Who knows, who ever told, from whence this vast creation rose?

No gods had then been born - who then can e'er the truth disclose?

Whence sprang this world, and whether framed by hand divine or no-

Its lord in heaven alone can tell, if even he can show.

Translated by John Muir, in 'Original Sankrit Texts', volume 5.


Can any verse in your holy book match the beauty of this song with its sceptical and almost humbling questions as compared to the hectoring certitude of the Koran. Remember this is only a translation, so imagine the awesome beauty of the original.

Since the Rig Veda predicts the coming of this great person, and I am willing to accept that it does, can you tell us what it has to say about the character of this personage.

Unless his deeds or the result of his coming are mentioned the prediction is meaningless. Just mentioning a name and the day and time of his birth is no prediction at all.

Tell us, since you have read the Rig Veda, does it also prophesise about his followers coming to the home of the authors of the Rig Veda to slaughter millions of those who believe in this book that prophesied the mercy to mankind?

If it does, for sure, THEN I (and perhaps I can presume Romesh will too) will submit to Islam.

Anon. (The Rig Veda)

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