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To free bee: On love being punished with death

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Submitted by Plato (United Arab Emirates), Jun 11, 2007 at 00:28

free bee, you are in inverted commas and you wrote:

---"And I say "dear" because you made a good long research. Great !

I will only like to comment on few points about the story of the Jewish couple you mentioned who were stoned to death.

1. Abdullah ibn Salam was a Jewish Rabbi, who had converted to Islam, who told the Prophet Muhammed (s) that the Jewish people were lying to protect that couple."

If the Jewish people were lying to protect that couple, it was because they had come to realise what a loathsome law the God-given rule was. And that rat of an ex-Rabbi, to curry favour with his new found prophet, sent a couple in love to a horrifying death. You say disapprovingly 'the Jewish people were lying to protect that couple'. I suppose you are a US citizen. How many such loving couples in the US would you approvingly have stoned for what is a common occurence in you homeland?

---"2. The Prophet of Islam DID not make the law of "Stoning". It is a law made by GOD. So he just told them to follow 'your Bible/Torah'- Tell me whats wrong with that?"

If it was God's law what was the need to ask the ex-Rabbi? Muslims have learned from their prophet, his sunna, try and push the blame for crimes onto the aggrieved party. Here you are blaming the ex-Rabbi for the stoning incident. You do not accept that the responsibility for the ruling, good or bad, should rest with the Prophet. Muslims have a similar trick when it comes to the abhorrent Banu Quraiza incident. The Prophet is absolved by saying that the victims choose their judge and the Rasool only carried out his ruling. And forget to add that the Prophet praised the genocidal ruling as a judgement that had the stamp of Allah on it.

----"3. The Jewish people Knew the validity of the Prophet Muhammed, knew he was very kind and merciful, so wanted to hear his verdict and ignore their own Torah. But Allah guided Prophet Muhammed and he gave them the verdict exactly what was written in the Jewish Torah."

Oh yes, the kind and merciful Prophet! Take out your Chambers dictionary or visit dictionary.com and read the meaning of kind and merciful before using such words about your Prophet. How many did he have murdered for criticising him? As another Muslim uncomfortable with these murders claimed, they were assassinated not because they lampooned the Prophet but because they were critical of Allah and His pure religion of peace. You say: 'The Jewish people knew the validity of the Prophet'. Show us the proofs the Prophet showed them to prove he was the Rasool of Allah. Apart from spouting verses claiming he was a prophet, a self-declaration I can make too, what other proof is there?

'....so wanted to hear his verdict and ignore their own Torah... You seem to be implying that if the Mercy to all Mankind had given the verdict without consulting the ex-Rabbi he would have spared the couple. Did you forget what you said in the previous sentence: 'The Prophet of Islam DID not make the law of "Stoning". It is a law made by GOD'. What other ruling other than stoning could he have given?

----"My question is why are you fighting with the Muslims. Please go fight with the Jews so you can change their Torah."

The Jews don't stone anyone any more. It is 'pure' Islamic countries that do so. That is why we are 'fighting' with you and not the Jews. And this 'fight' will go on till you accept that stoning is an obnoxious practice and, like Muslim countries had to in regard to slavery they practised, abolish it from their statutes.

---"Lastly, all the Biographies that you mentioned are good, you can read any of them I guess".

Here is a site giving the whole of Mubarakpuri's biography of the Prophet. The page id I have given is the Table of Contents. Please go through it and count the number of chapters about wars and raids and such other violent activities. What sense do you get from it, of a peaceful religious leader or a man of war and violence? http://www.masmn.org/documents/Books/Safiur_Rahman_Mubarakpuri/Raheeq_Al_Maktoom/index.htm

Plato

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