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Submitted by Plato (India), Jun 14, 2007 at 01:16

Here is an authentic Hindu replying to a Bangladeshi Muslim whose enthusiasm like yours for Hindu scriptures is commendable ( http://en.allexperts.com/q/Hindus-946/Said-prophecies-Islam-Hindu-4.htm):

"Hi Ahmed,

Yes, the Bhavishya Purana mentions Jesus and Mohammad.

It also mentions numerous other historic entities like Queen Victoria, East India Company up to the 19th century. Since this Purana is supposed to be predictive in nature, these entities are described in the future tense - as something that was written down before their appearances.

However, it does not contain references to any person or event after the 19th century. The reason is, until that time texts in India were maintained as manuscripts which had short shelf lives and had to be frequently copied manually. During the process of copying, the scribes were inclined to edit Puranas to remove old material and include new material. Consequently, we have ended up with several different recensions of Puranas, coming from different parts of the country. For example, we have 2 major recensions of the Padma Purana - one from Bengal and one from South India, with several chapters completely different in the two.

In this case, the Bhavishya was maintained in the West Bengal area and provides a lot of details of people from that area including the saint Chaitanya and the British. The reason the "predictions" stopped in the 19th century is because the Naga Press published the Bhavishya Purana around 1865, thus putting an end to the manual hand copying activity and along with it, the mutilation of the texts through interpolation. However, this Purana is notorious for its spurious nature – a major reason why no one has bothered to translate it into English.

In general, no person has been accurately predicted before his arrival in any religion. The Buddha who is considered an avatar of Vishnu and considered to a predicted avatar by some, was in reality never considered an avatar until the 3-4th century AD and that too never by everyone. It was an attempt by Hindu Brahmanas to bring Buddhism into the folds of Hinduism.

To close, it is unnecessary for people of any religion to seek corroboration from other religions about their own faith. Therefore, whether Islam and Christianity are predicted in other religions or not (they are not) is of no consequence to anyone.

Regards,
Shiv

-----Answer-----

Hi Ahmed,

I do not have a copy of the Bhavishya Purana and so cannot describe the exact content of the Muhammad prophecy. However, by common sense, since it is a Hindu text it is highly unlikely that a scribe would insert anti-Hindu prophecies into it. Besides, like I said earlier, people who have some knowledge of the Puranas know about their spurious nature and do not accept Bhavishya Purana prophecies as authentic.

The Vedas are well documented and you can find translations online on sacred-texts.com. I can assure you that they do not contain verses about other religions (not even Buddhism) and make no predictions on the arrival of any human entity. You can read through the full translations in repository I mentioned above to satisfy your curiosity.

There are several Upanishads of which 108 are considered legitimate and of which 10 are considered primary. None of these 108 Upanishads make prophecies or allude to other religions and or people. Outside these 108 Upanishads, we have a number of recently written Upanishads of which there is an Allah Upanishad and a Chaitanya Upanishad among others. Their dubious nature is apparent and Upanishads outside the legitimate, recorded set of 108 Upanishads are not considered to have any value.

The Kalki Purana is not one of the 18 Major Puranas and is probably not easily available either. To get a better idea of Purana content and authenticity, you can read works of any of the following.

The Puranas – A study of Indian Literature, Vol II, Fasc 3 by Ludo Rocher
Studies in Puranic Records on Hindu Rites and Customs – R.C. Hazra
History of Indian Literature – Part I by Winternitz

I will reiterate again that it is not possible to find predictions of a religion even within itself. So there is absolutely no question of finding prophecies of a religion in another religion. It just does not work that way. However, do not take my word for it. As you are curious, it is correct that you research the topic and learn the truth to your satisfaction by checking multiple sources and seeking corroboration.

Good luck,
Shiv

-----Answer-----
Hi Ahmed,

1. There is no such text as Uttarayan Veda. That is false.

2. There is no such verse in the Sama Veda. This is why the person who quoted it did not provide a specific verse number as he was hoping to find a credulous audience who would believe his information at face value without checking up. There are many people in this world who are willing to believe in such stories without bothering to double-check the way you do.

3. Aadi -> first; So Aadi Brahmana is the first Brahmana which would refer to Brahma - the creator God in most Hindu traditions.

Let me ask you something basic - Why do you expect to see prophecies of Islam and Mohammad in Hindu scriptures? Why would such references exist? If such references did exist, would it not be in the best interest of Hindus to have taken them as a sign to adopt Islam and thereby give up Hinduism a long time ago? Since that never happened, is it not obvious that no such references exist?

Regards,
Shiv

-----Answer-----
Hi Ahmed,

>I came to know that there is something called 'Ankahi' or
> 'On kotha ' i.e. hidden knowledge in Hinduism.

I have never heard of these terms before. There is a remote chance that there may be something like this in some small, obscure group, but they are definitely not part of Hinduism.

There is no secret literature in Hinduism today. Everything is out in the open and practically all works having any merit have been published and are available for the entire world to read. I would suggest you check with the sources who gave you these names to provide specific details of their origin. Excuses of secrecy, restrictions, etc., are generally used to cover up non-extant literature.
Regards,
Shiv"

Answer


Hi Ahmed,

1. There is no knowledge today that is only confined to Brahmanas. The 4 Vedas were restricted to low born people in the past, but today - as you know - they are fully printed and published for anyone to read, including non-Hindus as well.

2. We have already covered the Bhavishya Purana topic.

3. The 4 Vedas do not predict the arrival of anyone. There are certain sages like Yajnavalkya, etc., who appear by name in some Vedas, but references to them are *never* in predictive form. They are the seers of these mantras and their names become part of the text during their own time. However, I briefly checked some of the alleged prophecies of Muhammad listed in the web site you mentioned and I can clearly say none of them are prophecies. We will take a couple of examples. Note that a number of verses contain incorrect references.

Sama Veda Book I, Chapter II, Decade II, Verse II

Verily wondrous is the tender youngling's growth who never draweth nigh to drink his mother's milk |
As soon as she who hath no udder bore him, he, faring on his great errand, suddenly grew strong ||

This verse is anything but a prediction. The hymn is sung in glory of Agni – the fire God and is praising him, similar to the hymns before and after. It would be an example of very wild imagination to turn this into a prediction and even if one chooses to take that route, I have no clue how this is supposed be a prophecy of the coming of Mohammad.

Rigveda Book VIII hymn VI verse X

I from my Father have received deep knowledge of the Holy Law
I was born like unto the Sun.

This is a prayer to the King of Gods, Indra and is obvious when examined in context by looking at the verses before and after it. There can be no doubt at all, that it could be interpreted as anything other than a prayer to Indra.

There are other verses, where meanings are assumed to mean to be references to Muhammad, which are all uniformly incorrect. These examples are similar to claims made by ISKCON; a Sama Veda verse which described the Supreme as Golden in color is assumed to be a prophecy of the founder as he had a golden complexion!

If one takes this approach, then one can find a prediction of anything or anyone in the Vedas ranging from Cleopatra to Clint Eastwood. In conclusion, there is no prophecy of Muhammad or anyone else in the Vedas.

Regards,
Shiv"

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