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Submitted by Ed Melik, Esq. (United States), Jan 23, 2011 at 20:20

Well here's an eye opening brief history despite all the venom you guys can spew against Islam and other religions. Read it and learn to be tolerant and respectful of all religions. Hate only makes you ignorant and blind:

Ancient Pagans

  • As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
  • Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
  • Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
  • Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
  • Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
  • Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
    According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian teachings..."
  • In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
  • In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
  • The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
    [DO19-25]

Mission

  • Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
  • Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
  • Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered. [DO235]
  • 15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Victims unknown. [DO30]
  • 16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde".
    Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]

Crusades (1095-1291)

  • First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
  • Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]
  • 9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]
  • Until Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]
  • after 6/3/98 Antiochia (then turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women & children) killed. [WW32-35]
    Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents—save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
  • Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
  • Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (jewish, muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
    (In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude")
  • The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]
  • Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]
  • Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
  • Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
  • Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably 20 million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224]

Note: All figures according to contemporary (Christian) chroniclers.

Heretics

  • Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
  • Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
  • Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
    The Albigensians...viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
    Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (greatest single pre-nazi mass murderer) in 1209. Bezirs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbours and friends) 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
  • Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
  • subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]
  • After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324. [WW183]
  • Estimated one million victims (cathar heresy alone), [WW183]
  • Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
  • Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]
  • John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]
  • University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
  • Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.

Witches

  • from the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several thousand.
  • in the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged. [WV]
  • incomplete list of documented cases:
    The Burning of Witches - A Chronicle of the Burning Times

Religious Wars

  • 15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]
  • 1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action). [DO31]
  • 1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. Thousands were actually slain. [DO31]
  • 1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]
  • 17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his head, his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the river [...but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ... to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows'." [SH191]
  • 17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers." [SH191]
  • 17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]

Jews

  • Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians. Number of Jews slain unknown.
  • In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]
  • 17. Council of Toledo 694: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]
  • The Bishop of Limoges (France) in 1010 had the cities' Jews, who would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]
  • First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered 1096, maybe 12.000 total. Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) [EJ]
  • Second Crusade: 1147. Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully, Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]
  • Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked 1189/90. [DO40]
  • Fulda/Germany 1235: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]
  • 1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton, Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]
  • 1290 in Bohemian (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]
  • 1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]
  • 1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand) burned. [DO41]
  • 1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]
  • 1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]
  • 1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy by the brightly colored "badges of shame" that all jews above the age of ten had been forced to wear.
  • 1492: In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492. [MM470-476]
  • 1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain. [DO43]

(I feel sick ...) this goes on and on, century after century, right into the kilns of Auschwitz.

Native Peoples

  • Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy Crusader) the conquest of the New World began, as usual understood as a means to propagate Christianity.
  • Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered in the Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people who, he said, "ought to be good servants ... [and] would easily be made Christians, because it seemed to me that they belonged to no religion." [SH200]
    While Columbus described the Indians as "idolators" and "slaves, as many as [the Crown] shall order," his pal Michele de Cuneo, Italian nobleman, referred to the natives as "beasts" because "they eat when they are hungry," and made love "openly whenever they feel like it." [SH204-205]
  • On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, "making the declarations that are required" - the requerimiento - to claim the ownership for his Catholic patrons in Spain. And "nobody objected." If the Indians refused or delayed their acceptance (or understanding), the requerimiento continued:

I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter in your country and shall make war against you ... and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church ... and shall do you all mischief that we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive their lord and resist and contradict him." [SH66]

  • Likewise in the words of John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony: "justifieinge the undertakeres of the intended Plantation in New England ... to carry the Gospell into those parts of the world, ... and to raise a Bulworke against the kingdome of the Ante-Christ." [SH235]
  • In average two thirds of the native population were killed by colonist-imported smallpox before violence began. This was a great sign of "the marvelous goodness and providence of God" to the Christians of course, e.g. the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as "for the natives, they are near all dead of the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared our title to what we possess." [SH109,238]
  • On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population (Arawak), a rather harmless and happy people living on an island of abundant natural resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000 dead. [SH204]
  • The surviving Indians fell victim to rape, murder, enslavement and spanish raids.
  • As one of the culprits wrote: "So many Indians died that they could not be counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The stench was very great and pestiferous." [SH69]
  • The indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians went, he would rather go to hell." [SH70]
  • What happened to his people was described by an eyewitness:
    "The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties ... They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive." [SH72]
    Or, on another occasion:
    "The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and from some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and mutton for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain like brute beasts...Vasco [de Balboa] ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by dogs." [SH83]
  • The "island's population of about eight million people at the time of Columbus's arrival in 1492 already had declined by a third to a half before the year 1496 was out." Eventually all the island's natives were exterminated, so the Spaniards were "forced" to import slaves from other caribbean islands, who soon suffered the same fate. Thus "the Caribbean's millions of native people [were] thereby effectively liquidated in barely a quarter of a century". [SH72-73] "In less than the normal lifetime of a single human being, an entire culture of millions of people, thousands of years resident in their homeland, had been exterminated." [SH75]
  • "And then the Spanish turned their attention to the mainland of Mexico and Central America. The slaughter had barely begun. The exquisite city of Tenochtitln [Mexico city] was next." [SH75]
  • Cortez, Pizarro, De Soto and hundreds of other spanish conquistadors likewise sacked southern and mesoamerican civilizations in the name of Christ (De Soto also sacked Florida).
  • "When the 16th century ended, some 200,000 Spaniards had moved to the Americas. By that time probably more than 60,000,000 natives were dead." [SH95]

Of course no different were the founders of what today is the US of Amerikkka.

  • Although none of the settlers would have survived winter without native help, they soon set out to expel and exterminate the Indians. Warfare among (north American) Indians was rather harmless, in comparison to European standards, and was meant to avenge insults rather than conquer land. In the words of some of the pilgrim fathers: "Their Warres are farre less bloudy...", so that there usually was "no great slawter of nether side". Indeed, "they might fight seven yeares and not kill seven men." What is more, the Indians usually spared women and children. [SH111]
  • In the spring of 1612 some English colonists found life among the (generally friendly and generous) natives attractive enough to leave Jamestown - "being idell ... did runne away unto the Indyans," - to live among them (that probably solved a sex problem).
    "Governor Thomas Dale had them hunted down and executed: 'Some he apointed (sic) to be hanged Some burned Some to be broken upon wheles, others to be staked and some shott to deathe'." [SH105] Of course these elegant measures were restricted for fellow englishmen: "This was the treatment for those who wished to act like Indians. For those who had no choice in the matter, because they were the native people of Virginia" methods were different: "when an Indian was accused by an Englishman of stealing a cup and failing to return it, the English response was to attack the natives in force, burning the entire community" down. [SH105]
  • On the territory that is now Massachusetts the founding fathers of the colonies were committing genocide, in what has become known as the "Peqout War". The killers were New England Puritan Christians, refugees from persecution in their own home country England.
  • When however, a dead colonist was found, apparently killed by Narragansett Indians, the Puritan colonists wanted revenge. Despite the Indian chief's pledge they attacked.
    Somehow they seem to have lost the idea of what they were after, because when they were greeted by Pequot Indians (long-time foes of the Narragansetts) the troops nevertheless made war on the Pequots and burned their villages.
    The puritan commander-in-charge John Mason after one massacre wrote: "And indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon their Spirits, that they would fly from us and run into the very Flames, where many of them perished ... God was above them, who laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ... Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies": men, women, children. [SH113-114]
  • So "the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts, and to give us their land for an inheritance". [SH111].
  • Because of his readers' assumed knowledge of Deuteronomy, there was no need for Mason to quote the words that immediately follow:
    "Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them..." (Deut 20)
  • Mason's comrade Underhill recalled how "great and doleful was the bloody sight to the view of the young soldiers" yet reassured his readers that "sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish with their parents". [SH114]
  • Other Indians were killed in successful plots of poisoning. The colonists even had dogs especially trained to kill Indians and to devour children from their mothers breasts, in the colonists' own words: "blood Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives to seaze them." (This was inspired by spanish methods of the time)
    In this way they continued until the extermination of the Pequots was near. [SH107-119]
  • The surviving handful of Indians "were parceled out to live in servitude. John Endicott and his pastor wrote to the governor asking for 'a share' of the captives, specifically 'a young woman or girle and a boy if you thinke good'." [SH115]
  • Other tribes were to follow the same path.
  • Comment the Christian exterminators: "God's Will, which will at last give us cause to say: How Great is His Goodness! and How Great is his Beauty!"
    "Thus doth the Lord Jesus make them to bow before him, and to lick the Dust!" [TA]
  • Like today, lying was OK to Christians then. "Peace treaties were signed with every intention to violate them: when the Indians 'grow secure uppon (sic) the treatie', advised the Council of State in Virginia, 'we shall have the better Advantage both to surprise them, & cutt downe theire Corne'." [SH106]
  • In 1624 sixty heavily armed Englishmen cut down 800 defenseless Indian men, women and children. [SH107]
  • In a single massacre in "King Philip's War" of 1675 and 1676 some "600 Indians were destroyed. A delighted Cotton Mather, revered pastor of the Second Church in Boston, later referred to the slaughter as a 'barbeque'." [SH115]
  • To summarize: Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki people in New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than half a century later about 250 remained alive - a destruction rate of 98%. The Pocumtuck people had numbered more than 18,000, fifty years later they were down to 920 - 95% destroyed. The Quiripi-Unquachog people had numbered about 30,000, fifty years later they were down to 1500 - 95% destroyed. The Massachusetts people had numbered at least 44,000, fifty years later barely 6000 were alive - 81% destroyed. [SH118] These are only a few examples of the multitude of tribes living before Christian colonists set their foot on the New World. All this was before the smallpox epidemics of 1677 and 1678 had occurred. And the carnage was not over then.
  • All the above was only the beginning of the European colonization, it was before the frontier age actually had begun.
  • A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad treatment and slavery.
  • In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even today.

More Glorious events in US history

  • Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England's most esteemed religious leaders, in "1703 formally proposed to the Massachusetts Governor that the colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train large packs of dogs 'to hunt Indians as they do bears'." [SH241]
  • Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a former Methodist minister and still elder in the church ("I long to be wading in gore") had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and children, gunned down despite the chiefs' waving with a white flag: 400-500 killed.
    From an eye-witness account: "There were some thirty or forty squaws collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were afterwards killed ..." [SH131]
    More gory details.
  • By the 1860s, "in Hawai'i the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the carnage that by then had reduced those islands' native population by 90 percent or more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total die-off of the Hawaiian population was only natural, this missionary said, somewhat equivalent to 'the amputation of diseased members of the body'." [SH244]

20th Century Church Atrocities

  • Catholic extermination camps
    Surpisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveli, a practising Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!

    In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar - orthodox-Christian serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdient der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did nothing to prevent them. [MV]

  • Catholic terror in Vietnam
    In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters - the Viet Minh - had finally defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the victorious assured religious freedom to all (most non-buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which could have brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]

    Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.

    The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:

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  • "Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."

Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of buddhist protesters and monks were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of buddhist teachers - male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - mostly in street riots - 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps. [MW76-89].

To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of American GI's lost their life....

  • Rwanda Massacres
    In 1994 in the small african country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.

For quite some time I heard only rumours about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.

Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany - a station not at all critical to Christianity - the following was stated:

"Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.

According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.

In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on fire and burn their victims alive..." [S2]

As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never come to an end....

If you read the above, it should easily convince you what are the great traits of Christian history. Now compare it with Islam, Hinduism, Budhism, and other isms!!

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Shariah Law [149 words]Amin RiazJan 30, 2011 03:59181548
1Ah, I see [154 words]Erich WJan 31, 2011 00:06181548
6no comparison [485 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJan 31, 2011 20:00181548
The point is .... [162 words]Amin RiazFeb 1, 2011 21:00181548
Its hard to be objective [223 words]Amin RiazFeb 3, 2011 20:17181548
3The Qur'an says that the earth is flat! [120 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 4, 2011 06:34181548
Who is this reader tryng to fool? [63 words]TedFeb 13, 2011 02:14181548
Who are you talking to? [43 words]Amin RiazFeb 14, 2011 01:39181548
8The religion of peace strikes again in Alexandria Egypt [129 words]dhimmi no moreJan 2, 2011 15:32181465
2A great gulf is fixed [177 words]Kepha HorJan 2, 2011 15:13181464
1Jesus v Muhammad [50 words]KatieJan 2, 2011 15:10181463
Jesus - a stickman? [67 words]Amin RiazJan 30, 2011 03:46181463
6Muhammad and islam [387 words]dhimmi no moreJan 31, 2011 07:23181463
2Jesus v Muhammad [190 words]katieJan 31, 2011 23:23181463
A fruitful career... [121 words]Amin RiazFeb 1, 2011 21:12181463
5Muhammad and islam part deux [296 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 3, 2011 06:32181463
Jesus - is a stickman. [463 words]Amin RiazFeb 3, 2011 20:05181463
Dhimmi Dhimmi Dhimmi - You make me smile [130 words]Amin RiazFeb 3, 2011 20:33181463
No comparison between Jesus and Mo/allah - one preaches love and the other hate!!! [117 words]JaladhiFeb 3, 2011 21:06181463
3The Qur'an was canonized 250-300 years after the death of Muhammad [80 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 4, 2011 18:25181463
80 years or 300 years later - who is counting; the same net result!! [34 words]JaladhiFeb 4, 2011 20:41181463
4More [415 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2011 07:36181463
4What is really the Qur'an? [367 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 6, 2011 07:01181463
Please come up with something new... [112 words]Amin RiazFeb 8, 2011 02:51181463
5You can refute my claims go for it [223 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 8, 2011 19:06181463
Dawn for Dhimmi [49 words]Amin RiazFeb 8, 2011 21:56181463
6This is straight from the book of Allah! Islam is really the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only [133 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 11, 2011 07:15181463
Beating a dead horse [13 words]Amin RiazFeb 11, 2011 23:26181463
4Islam is really the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only part Nth [92 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 13, 2011 14:27181463
It does not matter what Jesus really was (or Mohammad) [182 words]TedFeb 24, 2011 02:41181463
Testimony of Ted. [114 words]Amin RiazFeb 25, 2011 22:15181463
A maverick who died a miserable death can be serve our spiritual needs better than .. [49 words]TedFeb 28, 2011 02:31181463
Naming names [82 words]Amin RiazMar 1, 2011 17:08181463
3But the Qur'an says that Jesus is really Allah! Would you like to know more our dear Amin? [243 words]dhimmi no moreMar 2, 2011 06:51181463
3And speaking of "stickman" [87 words]dhimmi no moreMar 2, 2011 07:16181463
Keep at it [22 words]Amin RiazMar 6, 2011 13:53181463
3And speaking of the stickman! [137 words]dhimmi no moreMar 8, 2011 18:24181463
Christ Jesus - Not a Stick Caricature - Instead A Savior with a Rod [366 words]M. ToveyApr 4, 2011 15:32181463
Christ Jesus - More than a Man - More in Deed and in Truth [832 words]M. ToveyApr 4, 2011 17:00181463
quran scripture found 1370 years old [13 words]what nowJul 22, 2015 20:13181463
1Re-interperate the Q'ran??? [108 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Tom HooverJan 1, 2011 20:41181442
2Pleased to hear it. [96 words]Joe Six-PackJan 1, 2011 19:53181441
1Messenger of Allah is an excellent example [27 words]lord garthDec 31, 2010 16:05181413
1Q&A Remaking a Religion [181 words]DebbieDec 31, 2010 08:58181386
5Radicals against ISLAM are the only problem not the moderates! [321 words]MshMDec 31, 2010 06:42181382
1Questioning the basis of Islam [272 words]RajeevDec 31, 2010 05:22181381
USA Warlike? [34 words]Amin RiazJan 30, 2011 03:41181381
2Slowly putting pressure on Muslims in Democratic Nations [297 words]DemsciDec 31, 2010 02:38181379
2Can we have a "moderate" Fascism, too? [68 words]Dr Ron PollandDec 30, 2010 23:09181375
False Optimism??? [121 words]John W. McGinleyDec 30, 2010 20:55181374
1cartoon jihad, Muhammad "the perfect man," and where sure and certain salvation is to be found [1798 words]Lactantius JrDec 30, 2010 20:35181373
1Amen [507 words]Erich WDec 31, 2010 16:06181373
3Islam; 'the religion of peace' [57 words]MegiddoDec 30, 2010 18:23181371
6"Comparing Islam to Christianity" [496 words]Ed Melik, Esq.Jan 14, 2011 13:50181371
2Comparing Islam to Christianity... [81 words]MegiddoJan 15, 2011 07:56181371
5Our dear Esq. al-munafiq al-kabeer [282 words]dhimmi no moreJan 16, 2011 09:11181371
2Our dear Esq. al-munafiq al-kabeer is saying that Islam is violent religion too and as if we did not know [91 words]dhimmi no moreJan 16, 2011 13:29181371
4Our dear Esq. al-munafiq al-kabeer and argument from al-hunud al-humr [174 words]dhimmi no moreJan 16, 2011 13:38181371
4Our dear Esq. al-munafiq al-kabeer and violence in the book of ignorance [211 words]dhimmi no moreJan 16, 2011 13:48181371
Comparing I [4755 words]Ed Melik, Esq.Jan 23, 2011 20:20181371
"Comparing Islam to Christianity" [138 words]Ed Melik, Esq.Jan 23, 2011 20:25181371
"Comparing Islam to [132 words]Ed Melik, Esq.Jan 23, 2011 20:40181371
Relious intolerance [1256 words]Ed Melik, Esq.Jan 23, 2011 20:49181371
2Our dear Esq. al-munafiq al-kabeer part deux [708 words]dhimmi no moreJan 24, 2011 06:56181371
3Our dear Esq. al-munafiq al-kabeer and the islamic crusades and it seems that Allah would allow the Christian crusades part trois [246 words]dhimmi no moreJan 24, 2011 08:01181371
2More islamic delusions from our dear Esq [491 words]dhimmi no moreJan 24, 2011 12:03181371
2More islamic comedy [314 words]dhimmi no moreJan 24, 2011 12:13181371
2More comedy from our dear Esq [88 words]dhimmi no moreJan 24, 2011 12:22181371
1"All religions cause violence" is a false apology. [214 words]RajeevJan 25, 2011 01:41181371
3The religion of peace strikes again in Moscow [201 words]dhimmi no moreJan 25, 2011 06:14181371
Comparing Islam [180 words]Ed Melik, Esq.Jan 25, 2011 12:25181371
2Our dear Esq and cherry picking time and paganism and islam [274 words]dhimmi no moreJan 26, 2011 06:58181371
Comparing Islam with Christianity [2938 words]Ed Melik, Esq.Jan 26, 2011 18:07181371
2Before the ink could dry on the Moscow report [72 words]GopalJan 26, 2011 21:53181371
1More islamic comedy [287 words]dhimmi no moreJan 27, 2011 06:18181371
2what is really al-jihad and our dear Esq [636 words]dhimmi no moreJan 28, 2011 06:48181371
1Where is your evidence that millions were killed because of the Arian heresy? [33 words]dhimmi no moreJan 28, 2011 07:24181371
Comparing Islam with Christianity [3891 words]Ed Melik, Esq.Jan 30, 2011 00:57181371
5Where is your evidence that millions were killed because of the Arian heresy? part deux [121 words]dhimmi no moreJan 31, 2011 06:51181371
4What does the Trinity has to do with your bogus claim that millions were killed during the Arian heresy? Islamic tawheed? It is bogus [314 words]dhimmi no moreJan 31, 2011 07:02181371
Comparing Islam with Christianity [156 words]Ed Melik, Esq.Jan 31, 2011 19:09181371
Comparing Islam with Christianity [222 words]Ed Melik, Esq.Feb 1, 2011 15:43181371
3Where is your evidence that millions were killed because of the Arian heresy? part trois [271 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 3, 2011 07:01181371
Comparing Islam with Christianity [903 words]Ed Melik, Esq.Feb 3, 2011 11:59181371
Comparing Islam with Christianity [284 words]Ed Melik, Esq.Feb 3, 2011 22:28181371
3More Islamic drivel [342 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 4, 2011 06:56181371
4Our dear Esq is quoting a corrupted book to prove a point! Go figure! [926 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 4, 2011 08:16181371
2Our dearf Esq and islam is really the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only and he ain't a Hijazi Arab and I urge him to leave islam [546 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2011 07:57181371
3Our dear Esq is quoting a corrupted book to prove a point! Go figure! part deux [1050 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2011 08:43181371
4Our dera Esq and Allah and his aqaneem and al-thalos al-muqaddas! Read and laugh [628 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2011 14:29181371
Comparing Islam with Christianity [1011 words]Ed Melik, Esq.Feb 7, 2011 22:04181371
3You need to stick to urdu our dear Esq! Read and laugh [268 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 8, 2011 18:46181371
3Islamic hate [173 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 8, 2011 18:55181371
1These words are taken from the Jewish Torah! [161 words]saraFeb 8, 2011 19:03181371
15The Quranic word Ahad means ONE OF and the word Wahid means ONE [178 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 9, 2011 07:40181371
3Surat al-Ikhlas revisited and our dear Esq bogus translation and funny transliteration [197 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 9, 2011 08:09181371
2Fixing Quranic Arabic [885 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 10, 2011 07:36181371
5Our dear Esq and argument from kuffar! read and laugh [1144 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 12, 2011 16:27181371
3Our dear Esq and argument from kuffar! part deux [513 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 13, 2011 09:10181371
dhimmi the arabs claim to math is amazing. Esq. the wannabe Arab still doesn't get it. [73 words]SimonFeb 16, 2011 20:01181371
1Islamic math! An oxymoron! [35 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 17, 2011 06:34181371
Islamic Math [40 words]SimonFeb 18, 2011 11:46181371
2Muhammad's ange! read and laugh [1226 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 19, 2011 09:03181371
3Muhammad's age and the topos of 40! Read and laugh part deux [860 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 22, 2011 07:00181371
Paul Not Chosen [79 words]submitterAug 12, 2013 23:48181371
Wannabe Arabs and the Arabic language [159 words]dhimmi no moreAug 14, 2013 07:25181371
Tablighee nonsense [14 words]dhimmi no moreAug 14, 2013 07:27181371
Paul Not Chosen [57 words]SubmitterAug 14, 2013 21:58181371
Paul Not Chosen [60 words]SubmitterAug 14, 2013 22:11181371
1al-Tabari fixes poor Quranic Arabic [131 words]dhimmi no moreAug 15, 2013 09:56181371
Helping lost tablighee [59 words]dhimmi no moreAug 15, 2013 10:05181371
Here more help and this time from Ibn kathir [61 words]dhimmi no moreAug 15, 2013 10:10181371
1Here we go again quoting corrupted books to prove a point! This is not very smart our dear Submitter [115 words]dhimmi no moreAug 15, 2013 19:42181371
Paul Not Chosen [54 words]submitterAug 15, 2013 22:37181371
Paul Not Chosen [54 words]submitterAug 15, 2013 22:40181371
2Teaching Arabic to wannabe Arabs [779 words]dhimmi no moreAug 16, 2013 07:25181371
Lost tablighees and wannabe Arabs [215 words]dhimmi no moreAug 16, 2013 07:45181371
al-Falsafa al-Ikhriqiyya and the Qur'an! and the Quranic tawheed is illogical [108 words]dhimmi no moreAug 16, 2013 07:57181371
1Our dear Submitter is editing the Qur'an what a disaster [74 words]dhimmi no moreAug 16, 2013 08:16181371
1This time al-Qurtubi and Q112 [337 words]dhimmi no moreAug 16, 2013 09:54181371
It seems that our dear Submitter disagrees with Allah! [228 words]dhimmi no moreAug 16, 2013 13:31181371
4Plagiarism revisited and Q112:1 [890 words]dhimmi no moreAug 17, 2013 08:18181371
1Revisiting this Quranic disaster [556 words]dhimmi no moreAug 17, 2013 12:40181371
More ignorance [25 words]dhimmi no moreAug 17, 2013 20:00181371
Not very smart to quote corrupted books [67 words]dhimmi no moreAug 17, 2013 20:20181371
1And here is what al-Qurtubi tells us about this Quranic disaster Q112:1 [151 words]dhimmi no moreAug 17, 2013 20:46181371
1More ignorance [126 words]dhimmi no moreAug 18, 2013 11:15181371
Great observation. [18 words]MaryamOct 12, 2013 05:05181371
Factual, huh? [11 words]AllenApr 28, 2014 11:44181371
Ahad [5 words]VMar 27, 2019 06:19181371
False [16 words]AliOct 14, 2019 19:52181371
6Making religion safe [107 words]Ralph C. Whaley MDDec 30, 2010 17:45181370
What's your prescription to make us truly safe Dr Whaley? [1063 words]Lactantius JrDec 31, 2010 15:40181370
Dr. Whaler's secularism [686 words]Erich WJan 3, 2011 23:35181370
What are you talking about? [164 words]Amin RiazFeb 4, 2011 05:14181370
Response to Amin Riaz [134 words]Erich WFeb 4, 2011 19:18181370
COMPARING ISLAM TO CHRISTIANITY [387 words]JACQUES HADIDADec 30, 2010 16:09181367
A jovial instance of modifying Quranic interpretation [175 words]Erich WDec 31, 2010 16:44181367
having more babies [123 words]mikeJan 1, 2011 18:17181367
3Jacques Hadida, you are wrong about Christianity [171 words]IQJan 1, 2011 23:58181367
2violence [414 words]Erich WJan 2, 2011 00:56181367
JAQUES HADIDA, YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT CHRISTIANITY [89 words]JACQUES HADIDAJan 2, 2011 20:34181367
1Jaques Hadida...Christian blind spots [405 words]Erich WJan 3, 2011 21:55181367
Continuing to Make the Mistake About so-called Christian religion and true Christianity [675 words]M. ToveyJan 5, 2011 16:49181367
JACQUES, here is my response [317 words]IQJan 7, 2011 02:06181367
Unicorn or Old Goat? [320 words]TL WinslowDec 30, 2010 14:33181366
contortions are more likely [195 words]Erich WDec 31, 2010 22:56181366
Mr. Pipes, you say: ..."The basis of Islam is warlike, but that doesn't mean it has to be warlike. "... Explain, please ... [23 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
RhetoricalGirlDec 30, 2010 13:13181364
2Pipe dreams... [74 words]ASJan 4, 2011 03:16181364
Touche [45 words]Amin RiazJan 30, 2011 04:09181364
Hey Amin Riaz [98 words]JaladhiFeb 3, 2011 14:42181364
5Moderate Islam is the solution? [90 words]KimDec 30, 2010 12:17181363
2Mein Kampf [180 words]Sir Daniel M.J. TobinJan 2, 2011 10:07181363
2Moderate Muslims...What Moderate Muslims? [194 words]Kim BruceJan 2, 2011 23:46181363
A Nice twist... [58 words]Amin RiazFeb 16, 2011 10:08181363
re. Nice twist [295 words]Kim BruceFeb 17, 2011 01:52181363
1Muslim logic! It seems that Allah is saying that the Jews are his favorite nation and for this see Q2:47 [440 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 17, 2011 06:09181363
A certain lack [85 words]Amin RiazFeb 18, 2011 18:23181363
Delusions of Love [76 words]Amin RiazFeb 18, 2011 18:28181363
christian pope head of Catholocism [24 words]Kim BruceFeb 18, 2011 22:22181363
1But the Qur'an says that the Jews are Allah's favorite nation so do you disagree with Allah our dear Amin? [248 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 19, 2011 06:03181363
1Islamic hypocricy and the Hindu Genocide [137 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 19, 2011 06:12181363
Sweet nothing. [41 words]Amin RiazFeb 22, 2011 22:48181363
Anyone else? [25 words]Amin RiazFeb 22, 2011 22:50181363
Q2:47 says that the Jews are Allah's favorite nation/people! [29 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 24, 2011 07:31181363
The Hindu genocide [40 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 24, 2011 07:32181363
A Question of Perception [8 words]Amin RiazFeb 25, 2011 22:03181363
A Waste of Time [31 words]Amin RiazFeb 25, 2011 22:06181363
3The Hindu genocide part Nth [180 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 27, 2011 07:26181363
3Allah says in the Qur'an that the Jews are his favorite people/nation! [118 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 28, 2011 06:32181363
A Perception of History or Reality - Of the Mind or of the Heart [574 words]M. ToveyApr 4, 2011 17:34181363

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