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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Feb 19, 2011 at 09:03

our dear Esq whose Zoroastrian ancestors were dragged yelling and screaming inot islam and now he is a follower of the ... that brutalized them is here defending the islamic .. right our dear Esq?

But you tell us what does the age of Muhammad or the year of his birth have to do with our little chat? or was this part of your little "cut and paste" job and you did not know what to do with it? Enlighten us our dear Esq!

>1. The dispute surrounding the date of the Prophet's birth is a result of the differences between the hadith and sira sources from both Sunni and Shi'i sects.
2. One should be very cautious and careful about the unusual events narrated and associated with the Prophet's birth. On the whole, the narratives which imply such extraordinary events indicate the possibility that there might have been something unusual about Amina's pregnancy or delivery. They show that like some other prophets' births,[80] the birth of Muhammad also was accompanied by miraculous events. These extraordinary events may have functioned as signs for Muhammad's prophethood. Narratives that correspond to the life of the Prophet before his mission illustrate that his prophecy never occurred accidentally or by chance. Rather, many things had taken place to gradually establish the doctrine of his apostleship from God. One may express the same attitude in the case of the extraordinary events which happened surrounding the birth of the Prophet. In short, they might be regarded as irhas, a kind of foretelling or prophecy. Such stories are related of previous prophets, and need not contradict the supposition that the Prophet's life was human through and through.

And speaking of Abul Qasim aka Muhammad's date of birth and this is how the islamic historical tradition calculated his age and his year of birth

1. For the readers for almost 200 years after the death of Muhammad no Muslim had a clue or even cared about the date of birth of Muhammad and even if they cared they just did not agree on such date (see Conrad)

2. When the sira was written and became stable in Ibn Hisham's redaction of Ibn Ishaq's al-Sira al-nabawiyya in the early 9th century and when 3Ilm al-maghazi was written by al-Waqidi in the 9th century fixing such dates became a must so the sira can be stable but as you shall see it was all made up because no one had a clue about when Muhammad was born or even when did he die

3. And this is how it was worked out by the ulama: The only real date in the saga of islam is 622CE which the historicizing Islamic historical tradition (written more than 200 years after the death of Muhammad) tell us that it is the year of Muhammad's so called Hijra from Mecca to Medina! But if you read the extant Muslim sources until 750CE or some 125 years after the death of Muhammad you will not find a word about this Hijra and if you read the extant non Muslims sources you will read about "kata Arbaya" or the year of the Arab kings and nothing about a Hijra! In actual fact in 622CE the Greeks defeated the Persians in Upper Mesopotamia and won the war that started in 616CE but they also left a political vaccum and the local Arabs of the Syrian desert and Mesopotamia too over and this is the kata arbaya!

2. The islamic historical tradition for reasons that no one can understand is fond of the concept of symmetry so the ulama tell us that Muhammad spent 10 or is it 13 years before 622CE in Mecca and 10 or is it 13 years in Medina! and at the end they agreed that it is 13 years in Mecca and 10 years in Medina! why? who knows!

3. So let us see; 622CE + 10 years= 632CE et voila Muhammad died in 632CE!

4. Now 622CE - 10 or is it 13 years = 610CE or is it 613CE? well the ulama selected 610CE! Why? who knows!

5. So boys and girls Muhammad started receiveing his so called Mab3ath (revelations) in 610CE!

6. Now the Ulama had to look in the Qur'an and they found in surat Yunus (Q10:16) where it says:

faqad lanathtu fikum 3UMRAN

Which means I lived with you for a period of umr!

The word 3Umr was read as 40 years!

And do you know why? Because the Greeks and the Syrians and the Copts used the topos of 40 as the age of maturity (for the topos of 40 see Conrad)!

So now the ulama tell us that Muhammad was 40 years old in 610CE! sobhanallah

7. Now they had to consult the Qur'an so they can find another date for his birth and they indeed found one and it is from Surat al-Feel also known by al-Tabari as surat al-lam tara or Q105 and this is the year when Abraha invaded al-Hijaz! or 610CE - 40= 570CE! So Muhammad was born in 570CE!

8. So let me see: 40+ 10 0r is it 13 for Mecca + 10 or is it 13 for Medina = 60 or is it 63 or is it 65! and only Allahu a3lam!

9. So you can see that the whole thing damn was made up so what else can the ulama do? Consult the usual suapects to prove them right and generate hadith to support their bogus point of veiw and who else can so such job but 3A'isha! and she is quoted as saying in regard to what was Muhammad's like and when was he born and when did he die and she was quoted as saying: "aren't you arabs? open the qur'an and you will find there the portrait of Abul Qasim!"

But the turth is Muhammad's name is only mentioned 4 times and 1 time he is called Ahmad and this TAHA thing cannot be him! Moses? He is mentioned 124 times in the Quran and if you read the Qur'an not knowing very much about it then you will think that it is a book about Moses and not a certain Muhammad!

And what is most amazing is that the same sira tell us that when Muhammad died he looked very young and he had only 20 grey hairs! So was he really 60 or 63 or 65 when he died? Only Allahu a3lam

Oh Abraha? It seems that Abraha invaded al-Hijaz in 550-555CE which would mean that if the above calcualtions are correct then Muhammad would have been 80 plus years old! At a time when the average life span was only 30-35 years and sobhanallah an 80 year old with no gery hair and a head full of hair!

As for Muhammad's birth! It is all made up funny stories but we are also told that his father 3Abd Allah died 4 long years before his birht which means that:

1. Pregnancy can last for 4 years! So does a pregnacny last for 4 years our dear Esq?

2. Or that Muhammad was Ibn haram! So which one is it?

For the readers; A stupid Shiekh in Egypt responded to this polemic with a fatwa that tells us that pregnancy can last for 4 years! Oh the isamic mind!


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