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Mr. Sultan's true general statement

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Submitted by David (United States), Aug 25, 2005 at 17:10

Mr. Sultan,

You make many statements, some true, some are false generalities, but where you wrote: "Before being muslim or jew or hindu we are all human beings." that is an exactly true statement and is where the solution lies.

To further the idea of what makes us human and what we have in common, if we are going to accept that our human-ness is what makes us the same then what is good for A man by his nature, is going to hold good for ALL MEN. A 'man' (generic) needs freedom of conscience to survive, for his mind is his only method of putting solutions into action - he needs his government to be designed to protect his rights "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..." "To secure these rights, government is instituted among men.." The United States Declaration of Independence. This is individual rights,

Man vs the State has been a problem throughout man's history.

It appears that you try to use Islam to attempt to subordinate a society to moral laws. There is no entity which is "society" - society is really a collection of individuals so the principle is that the concept of an "individual's rights" are the means of subordinating society to moral laws. [note: "Individual rights" is a redundancy - there is no other kind of right and no one else to possess them.]

David
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